Why the hate with endgame fights?

[SenorPatty]

Gotta love how the OP asks why a segment of the population doesn't like endgame content...and when those people oblige...I've seen a significant number of OP's replies aimed at insulting them or flat out saying this opinion is wrong (somehow OP thinks opinions are wrong...).

Just one of many reasons I've started to wish developers would just stop having official forums for their MMOs. Productive conversation rarely happens here. LOL

You know what I love? People accusing someone of "insult" around when there isn't any. Same thing with "toxic" and "elitist".

If only those same people could actually provide quote or quotes to back that up. Hmm....

[Dualgunner]

On the opposite end, Jerichai, there are just as many people villifying people who enjoy hardcore content, and trying to push the view that raiding cannot be fun into the public cognition just because they themselves do not find it fun.

I'm not angry at anyone for stating their opinions, but that doesn't mean I won't dispute them. An opinion cannot necessarily be wrong, but it can be founded on false notions of reality.

[MoroMurasaki]

Think from the perspective of someone who may not have done endgame comment yet (and potentially a bit anxious about it). It is impossible to see how someone may feel indirectly targeted by such comments might walk away with a perception that, yeah, the endgame community to an extent is kind of toxic?

Instead of being angry at the people who are stating an opinion, endgame communities (in any MMO) would do a lot better to try and stop trying to find, or even manufacture, the worst in people.

Are you trying to say say that someone might be discouraged from participating in endgame content because posters in this thread have been criticized for not participating in endgame content?

Let's call a spade a spade - Rhiya and Bobs haven't participated in Savage content at the same level as Sebazy, Hyomin, Cass and Kavia AND DUAL WHO IS THE BEST have. This makes the opinions on Savage content and how it plays/changes it could use infinately more informed on the side of the debate with the actual raiders.

If I said "My car is driving funny, think I might need to check the tire pressure" and you said "Nope, it needs an oil change" when you haven't driven my car what makes you entitled to an opinion here? Even more specifically what makes your opinion valid? Nothing. You haven't even been in the car much less driven it.

There is no down side to pointing out that someone isn't qualified for something. If there are any new players out there this conversation would encourage them to participate in endgame so that their opinions are respected because they're informed instead of just talking out their butts like some people have here.

[Dualgunner]

Sebazy, Hyomin, Cass and Kavia have.

Not even worth an honorable mention? I'm hurt Moro ;;

[MoroMurasaki]

Not even worth an honorable mention? I'm hurt Moro ;;

Oh god! I am the literal worst. I went over this post like 5 times because I knew I was forgetting people.

If it makes you feel any better my first iteration left out Sebazy so perhaps take it as "She's so good she doesn't even need mentioning" as I assume that's where my brain was.


Edited for accuracy. <3

[Dualgunner]

Oh god! I am the literal worst. I went over this post like 5 times because I knew I was forgetting people.

If it makes you feel any better my first iteration left out Sebazy so perhaps take it as "She's so good she doesn't even need mentioning" as I assume that's where my brain was.

Seeing the list just made me chuckle out loud, so I had to say something :P I appreciate the compliment either way!

[Jerichai]

Snip.

Not sure where I referred to the people you mentioned...but okay...

Go to the first page. The third response is basically "People who don't want to/haven't done end game content are lazy and entitled" and it has been up-voted 25 times and I've seen no one from end game content step in and say "Hey you're kind of making a blanket statement there buddy". And that's not the only response like that in this thread...and it's FAR from the first time these kinds of assumptions about the more casual crowd have been made.

My comment has nothing to do with critiquing the content itself, I have zero issue with the existence of harder content and in fact happier when MMOs provide a nice sampling across challenge levels. My point is I saw a lot of folks condemn people for stating that they avoid endgame due to the perception of toxicity in that community...while not acknowledging that there are a lot of people in this thread acting in a way some might deem as toxic.

[Jerichai]

You know what I love? People accusing someone of "insult" around when there isn't any. Same thing with "toxic" and "elitist".

If only those same people could actually provide quote or quotes to back that up. Hmm....

Hmm, seems similar to making blanket statements about casual players being lazy, entitled, stupid...though that may just be me.

(Also I realized a few posts ago that I mixed the OP up with another poster and apologized to OP)

[MoroMurasaki]

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It is virtually impossible to not act in a way some might deem toxic though. For some people the word 'parse' is equivalent to harassment of some kind. I agree calling all non-raiders lazy is inappropriate but you're also pulling from page 1 of a 30+ page thread.

Also based on the number of like I asume you're talking about this...

Judging from all the nerf posts that pop all the time, -clears throat-
"Because I want to clear everything with minimal effort and time investment! Paying for a sub means all content shouldn't be just available to me, it should be given to me!"

.. which is very clearly aimed in a humorous direction. I'm going to be honest I went to go see who made this toxic post you're talking about to yell at them if I had them on discord and found this. This isn't toxic it's funny. And it has 26 likes now.

[Jerichai]

Snip.

I mean...there's more examples like 2 posts under that highly upvoted that blanket non-raiders in a negative light with no basis of fact supporting them. And while you deem it a joke, can you be certain everyone else will perceive it as such.

But by all means, you all can go on being mystified by and angry at the reality that some folks consider the end game community as toxic.