Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
Except there is the fact that Bard which has way more utility does more damage as does machinist...
So yes Red Mage needs some minor tweaks and slight buff.
Using verraise as an arguement for a reason to not buff Red Mage does not work
Bard doesn't do "way more damage". It does have more Raid DPS utility. Machinist does have both. But RedMage's utility of Verraise + Duelcast is absolutely fantastic for progression, and I feel that buffing Red Mage while it has that unique and powerful utility will just create another Ninja situation.

Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
Except there is the fact that Bard which has way more utility does more damage as does machinist...
So yes Red Mage needs some minor tweaks and slight buff.
Using verraise as an arguement for a reason to not buff Red Mage does not work
Bard doesn't do "way more damage". It does have more Raid DPS utility. Machinist does have both. But RedMage's utility of Verraise + Duelcast is absolutely fantastic for progression, and I feel that buffing Red Mage while it has that unique and powerful utility will just create another Ninja situation.

Quote Originally Posted by Zytoryu View Post
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=90 Are you sure Summoner is outclassed by Monk? Ninja, Bard, Dragoon, and Machinist I can see because of their strong raid presence. but Monk does less DPS than Summoner and brings less. and yes I agree that Casters are currently heavily under powered thanks to Disembowel. but that doesn't mean Summoner gets a free pass to be as over tuned as it is, atleast not without simply buffing RDM and BLM to be on par if not above SMN
Check speedruns. In some fights, it is. If anything, i'd say it kind of proves how well patch 4.1 did for SMN's - it was some good work from SE. Monks are also getting some heavy buffs in 4.2 which will likely tip them over the edge.

The main thing that makes Monks viable is the killtimer. SMN isn't overtuned because there are at least 4 classes that are better than it. Its RDM and BLM that should get buffed to be on par with SMN (when looking at their overall kit, not just looking at raw dps numbers).

Plus, FFlogs overestimates SMN's Dot's so isn't entirely accurate.