Hunt Community vs Hunt Snipers

[Darrcyphfeid]

So is the intent for communities to police themselves when it comes to hunts? Makes me wonder how Japanese servers deal with theirs.

There was a thread about this on Reddit a week ago, actually! It's been editted somewhat following some people intentionally "misunderstanding" the OP's intention, but the gist is the same. TL;DR if you're someone with a blatant disregard for the hunt community they remove you from hunt LSes, blacklist you and add you to the 2ch blacklist if you're a really awful person about it (which has repercussions far beyond hunts).

As a denizen of Faerie where we had a group from a notorious FC (and later, an entire LS) being a bunch of megajerks, I feel for you. Unfortunately hunts are a horrendously ill-conceived dumpster fire, even without early pulling and Square punishing people trying to keep the hunts alive for people to arrive/bully the bullies, and the best thing to do is to just not participate at all.


I'm also in favor of resetting hunts so long as no one has been killed. I've reset hunts against the aforementioned FC/LS, as have several of my friends (one did cop a temp ban once when the FC/LS realized they could just mass report to further their bully agenda - and then went full-on harassment by doing early pulling and then /shouting that said friend had done it to make the whiny people shift their attention), and frankly if Square had banned me I would've taken it as a badge of honor and a clear indication that they didn't deserve my money anyway.

Also, if you actively hunt (regardless of zone or expac) and dont want to share with others, why is that a problem?

I posted this in one of the threads linked on the first page:

If you have 2 or 3 competing groups that do not relay, do not mark on Ariyala/other websites, and do not cooperate or communicate, hunts may as well not even exist. People outside of the 2 or 3 groups will only see A ranks when all groups aren't actively hunting for 2+ hours - not including any people going around soloing whatever A Rank they happen to stumble across during or after - and will very likely not see any ARR or HW S Ranks. Further, these groups will themselves trip one another up by virtue of not knowing which S Ranks were killed by the others, nor when, resulting in tons of wasted time and effort.

If you don't mind working harder, then by all means don't cooperate with the hunt community. But if you're getting any information from the hunt community, and you still want to do your own thing, you don't get to be offended when the hunt community gets tired and forces you out.

As a side note, what about people that, for their own personal enjoyment, would want to solo or duo the S ranks that they find in ARR and HW zones? Is that person "griefing" because they are doing something they want to do that hurts no one?

There are only a few S Ranks you can just randomly stumble across.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Unfortunately hunts are a horrendously ill-conceived dumpster fire, even without early pulling and Square punishing people trying to keep the hunts alive for people to arrive/bully the bullies, and the best thing to do is to just not participate at all.

Im confused as to why it is a ill-conceived dumpster fire. Not being a prick, genuinely curious as to your opinion on the matter.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Im confused as to why it is a ill-conceived dumpster fire. Not being a prick, genuinely curious as to your opinion on the matter.

Generally speaking that was in reference to the XIV community, but I do have issues with the hunts themselves too:

- Hunts are glorified FATEs with no visual indicator that they're up. Which is to say that it's a game of aggro tag with only a handful being anything more than a zergfest, even with the very first Tomestone set of their expansion.

- S Rank spawn conditions are finicky and obtuse. For what they are, and what they give, the amount of time involved in spawning them is ridiculous. I still help spawn S Ranks when I can be bothered to actually be logged into the game long enough - just helped spawn Nunyunuwi two or three days ago - but... it's not good. I kinda really hate it; hate it more when you factor in community shenanigans.

- A Ranks are hit or miss depending on their zone. We have community-created hunting maps to show hot zones for spawn locations, but the concept of "run/fly around the zone to see if this monster is around" loses its appeal pretty quickly.

- I loathe that the only uncapped source of Tomestone upgrade materials is always tied to hunts. I occasionally do Savage content (I haven't cared enough to be in a static since Midas, however), and I suffer through the 24-man for the weekly drop there, but more than half of the upgrades I get always come from hunts. Would be even more if I were still trying to keep both my tanks and DRG geared up (again, haven't bothered since Midas).

[Lord_Zlatan]

Fair points all around

After reading this I have to question why you even play the game still. Havent bothered, and suffered through are indicators that you dont enjoy the game, so why bother?

[Istaru]

After reading this I have to question why you even play the game still. Havent bothered, and suffered through are indicators that you dont enjoy the game, so why bother?

I read it as he enjoys the game enough. It’s the community that gets on his nerves.

[Darrcyphfeid]

After reading this I have to question why you even play the game still. Havent bothered, and suffered through are indicators that you dont enjoy the game, so why bother?

Well, that post would be a condemnation of hunts and an immense amount of apathy regarding the Savage treadmill/lockout (plus I'm more of a single-player oriented person when it comes to challenge, whereas Savage is something that's entirely team-based challenge). There are still other aspects off the game that I enjoy - new dungeons, new EX Primals, and I'm still somewhat invested in the story.

I have asked myself that question a dozen times in the last year though, and am currently coming off of a two month break (while having done a six month subscription back in October... ouch!). I blame my SO and my friends more than anything lol

I read it as he enjoys the game enough. It’s the community that gets on his nerves.

Oh speak of the devil. :P

[Istaru]

Oh speak of the devil. :P

I’ll give you “speak of the devil”.

Wait until I get home.

[Rokke]

I update Ariyala while my friends and I are out hunting, but we are by no means obligated to touch a 3rd party website. There is no reason to police strangers based on imaginary rules. OP harassed strangers and then went out of their way to continue harassing them... and is somehow surprised that they were banned for "trying to help the community"

I've stopped relinking ARR and HW S ranks we've spawned with our little group after we noticed nobody ever helps to spawn (most of the time only us fishing, gathering, killing 150 mobs, doing 1 hour of boring fates etc...), but everyone is 100% READY to whine if they miss the hunt (while being afk of finishing their long 2 star craft or something) and insult in shouts those who did such a great effort to spawn. No relinks = no shouts drama, no hate, no blacklisting us, and we don't really need their help to kill, ARR die in 2 minutes and HW in 7 minutes or faster.
Why we should work for leechers' and haters' tiger mount? We absolutelly shouldn't.

^ This sums up my mindset pretty well. If you are not out hunting, you are not entitled to a kill. Period.

[Aylis]

Im confused as to why it is a ill-conceived dumpster fire. Not being a prick, genuinely curious as to your opinion on the matter.

For me anyway, my belief is hunts are the primary reason why SE isn't or will ever release any new form of open world content ever again. Like...I often wonder how many hundreds of reports they have to sit through and read and scrap each day from players citing early pulling. Hunts were a good idea in theory, at least until the community made up its own rules for them which made two sets of players. One that follows the community rules above all else and the others who are just following the rules of the game and how hunts were designed to be by the devs.

[Lord_Zlatan]

For me anyway, my belief is hunts are the primary reason why SE isn't or will ever release any new form of open world content ever again. Like...I often wonder how many hundreds of reports they have to sit through and read and scrap each day from players citing early pulling. Hunts were a good idea in theory, at least until the community made up its own rules for them which made two sets of players. One that follows the community rules above all else and the others who are just following the rules of the game and how hunts were designed to be by the devs.

I can see why, but on the 2 servers that I have played on (Famfrit and Goblin) most people have been either accommodating to late comers OR understanding if they were late and missed the hunt. My experience is anecdotal and does not apply to all situations/servers, but I have chosen to be on lower populated servers over the course of my MMO career for this very reason.

Furthermore, people are forgetting that the purpose of open world content is to reward those playing in the open world. Chillin in Ul'Dah or Limsa while waiting for other people in a hunt LS to call out locations is not participating in open world content. Sure, its beneficial for everyone but its totally bogus to then complain that other people should reward "hunters" and alert them for the hunt. Then... people complain that Ariyala is inaccurate. Guaranteed 90% of the people that complain about this are probably chillin in limsa right now, doing no work whatsoever to actually, you know, hunt.