Hunt Community vs Hunt Snipers

[Archwolf]

Again, yes, it sucks.

Thank you for the response, I don't disagree with anything you said. It would be ok if this was just some players acting goofy or selfish for just a small amount of time. The party in question does this exclusively, as in uses all of his game time to make sure he is on top of all the S rank spawns. Honestly it's mystifying how they are online so much of the time, and don't have to leave for work or school or having a life outside this game. But their dedication is very real, and they are very very good at making sure no one else benefits from their hunts.

[Kazgrel]

Seems to me that OP bit hard on what amounts to trolling and got burned. No, it’s not nice of a couple people spawning S ranks just to kill them by themselves, firing off expletives their way and resetting a hunt multiple times isn’t the best way to counter their antics.

[Malzian]

Sorry to hear about the ban, Arch. However, while I do understand your intentions, being in your Linkshells and all, I can't say I agree with your method of trying to address the issue.

Hunts, by the nature of their implementation, were never meant to be an "everyone gets a chance" system. The core concept is that the people who take the time to find or spawn them have every right to pull and kill the hunt without ever telling another soul about it. Everything else that has been built around them by the community... the hunt guides, the timer sites, the linkshells... all of that is brought forth by the community in an attempt to tune the system to establish that supposed fair baseline. The problem is, it's just a meta structure that isn't itself inherent to the system.

Of course, can't really blame people for trying to do this. We do it all the time in normal life. Experiments have shown that if you set up a line for something that inherently has no line, most people will stand in that line just because it is there. That desire for social conformity drives us to stand there, it makes us feel bad if we were (even if rightly so) to try and cut that line. But there are people out there who just don't care. They will see the line, realize there is no reason for it and simply go around and get what everyone else has been waiting for patiently the whole time.

Does that mean they are wrong for having gone around the line? No, the system never included the line to begin with, so therefore going around it is not implicitly wrong. Does that mean that they should be admonished for it because the society has agreed that the line exists? Well, yes you can admonish them for it (politely), but that doesn't mean you're in the right just because you stood in the line. Should you curse at them and follow them around to make them feel harassed and threatened? No, not at all. Full stop.

You did the things you did for all the good intentions you had to make hunts on our server friendly, welcoming and fair. I applaud your desire to see the inclusion of everyone on getting their chance to enjoy the content as much as you do. However, doing the wrong things for the right reasons does not make those things any less wrong. The ban was handed down for your specific actions, not the intent behind them. You can't harass someone just because you don't agree with how they conduct themselves, especially when that conduct is within the rules. You can work to counteract what they are doing, but attacking them directly only serves to put you in the wrong and the GMs handed down the punishment that they are obligated to give according to the actions you took.

[NephthysVasudan]

something doesn't make sense here.
If someone quick pulls an S rank monster....generally to steal that monsters focus from the outside is damn near impossible if not very difficult to do.

Provoke wont work.

Which begs the question...whose fooling who here.

As to the overall subject...hunts are first come first serve...you can be a #### about it...or you can be polite about it...not much you can do about it overall...certainly doesn't give you a license to break the rules either. Regardless of your intention.

[Raldo]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

[NephthysVasudan]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

Check Achievements...... your answer is there.

[Zsolen]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

People that haven't unlocked all mount speeds do. Also those that want to glamour gc gear. There is also the mount.

[Kazgrel]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

Those old A and S ranks count equally as much as the ones in SB zones towards the mount. ARR hunts are the only way to get mount speed increase for the old zones where there’s no flying. So yeah, there’s a reasonable amount of people who care.

[Lord_Zlatan]

What boggles MY mind about the hunts is that everyone that claims to be in it for the "greater good" are just as selfish as any other player that "early pulls". The whole idea behind the hunt is that you hunt it down, not wait in limsa and tele to where your LS tells you to go. Even if you were to do that, and tele immediately, you are going to get there in time and get the kill.

Also, if you actively hunt (regardless of zone or expac) and dont want to share with others, why is that a problem? If its that important to you to get on every S Rank, heres a thought. Hunt them down.

As a side note, what about people that, for their own personal enjoyment, would want to solo or duo the S ranks that they find in ARR and HW zones? Is that person "griefing" because they are doing something they want to do that hurts no one?

[SilverObi]

I still find A and S ranks in older zones that no one bothers killing so I solo them on rdm. Nobody seems to care since all the active hunters are in SB areas. Only once did I have someone fly in and try shouting the location for an A rank but of course nobody else came. And this is on Balmung of all servers. The best way to combat "early" pullers and be involved is to actively hunt down the marks you want unfortunately :/ no amount of righteous crusades will have an effect if you use tactics SE themselves categorizes as griefing.