I've Lost Everything

[Rinuko]

Honestly I think that's a little too harsh to direct at SE.

30 Days is more than generous....especially for a very limited resource.

I think its 45 days even so month and a half

[NephthysVasudan]

I think its 45 days even so month and a half

good to know

[Besame]

It is not harsh at all given their statement pre-housing that they would never take a player's house away for absence. If they had done instanced housing in the first place none of this would be an issue. As it is now, they have it set up as a "pay2win" situation. How many of you would be screaming and still playing if you lost your gear, minions, mounts, etc for a month and a half absence from game? The housing you work for is the same. You bust butt for gear, mounts, etc and you bust butt for housing, deco, etc. To many people, housing is as an important part of their gaming experience. It allows relaxation, creativity and balance instead of constantly killing mobs. The whole housing system needs a revamp and instanced to allow every player to experience all aspects of the game if they choose.

[Rymm]

How many of you would be screaming and still playing if you lost your gear, minions, mounts, etc for a month and a half absence from game? The housing you work for is the same.

It's absolutely not the same. You are comparing apples and oranges. Gear, minions, etc. are all unlimited resources in this game and farming up a full set of the latest gear and then not logging in for more than a month doesn't affect anyone but you. Sitting on a house and not using it because you don't even log in for more than a month is locking another person, or even entire FC, completely out of housing just to hold your place for whenever you might come back.

If anyone has a right to be upset about the demo timer, it's people like me. I bought a house loooooong before auto-demo was a thing and lost it because they decided to implement the timer while I was taking an extended break due to getting married and moving to an entirely different continent. It sucks, plain and simple, but even then, I recognize the demo timer as a necessary evil. For as long as the housing system remains broken af, I'll support auto-demos so that houses will go to active players.

[Titor]

Gear, minions, etc. are all unlimited resources in this game

Not all. There's plenty of time-gated preorder minions that you can't get anymore, legacy mounts you can't get anymore, feast mounts that only 30/100 people in each data center got, feast gear that only 100 people in the data center got. There's plenty of limited minions/mounts/gear in this game that I'm sure someone 'more active' than the owner would want.

[Rymm]

Not all. There's plenty of time-gated preorder minions that you can't get anymore, legacy mounts you can't get anymore, feast mounts that only 30/100 people in each data center got, feast gear that only 100 people in the data center got. There's plenty of limited minions/mounts/gear in this game that I'm sure someone 'more active' than the owner would want.

You're missing the entire point. You obtaining limited time minions, mounts, etc. does NOT prevent another person from obtaining them as well. You sitting on a house you aren't using because you aren't subbed prevents one or more people from accessing housing. Feast gear and mounts are prestige awards that go to people who do the most competitive pvp that this game has to offer, unless you think that houses should be doled out based on a hunger games type system. If SE wants them to be prestige awards, fine, make them require some prestigious accomplishment to obtain. As of right now they go to whoever manages to scrape together the minimum amount of gil and happens to be in the right place at the right time to buy one.

[Squintina]

It's absolutely not the same. You are comparing apples and oranges. Gear, minions, etc. are all unlimited resources in this game and farming up a full set of the latest gear and then not logging in for more than a month doesn't affect anyone but you. Sitting on a house and not using it because you don't even log in for more than a month is locking another person, or even entire FC, completely out of housing just to hold your place for whenever you might come back.

The only reason housing is a limited resource is because SE was stubborn about having that community feel and created a crappy ward system that allowed such limitation to occur. If they had put in instanced housing (at least for personal houses), none of this would have been an issue.

If SE had done the same for mounts, made it so only a limited players could get them and they'd lose them over time in order for other people to get them, wouldn't you also want to stand up for that and say that it's just plain stupid that a person who needs to go away for a bit (because of medical/financial reasons or whatever) is suddenly punished for it? It's absolutely horrible that people excuse that and that SE thinks it's fair.

Besides, even if the demo timer is 30 or 45 days, why does the recovery timer (for getting gil/items) from the demo need to be so short? They could still keep their short demo timer and have a long recovery timer. There is no one being locked out of anything from having a longer recovery timer.

[Rymm]

The only reason housing is a limited resource is because SE was stubborn about having that community feel and created a crappy ward system that allowed such limitation to occur. If they had put in instanced housing (at least for personal houses), none of this would have been an issue.

I agree that the ward system as it exists now is untenable and that instanced housing would have been vastly preferable if they can't make enough wards for everyone to have housing. But we don't have instanced housing and there aren't enough wards for everyone so, here we are. This is why, as I said before, I support the auto-demo until SE fixes housing so it's not so utterly broken. If housing were like mounts and everyone got one, then the demo timer wouldn't be necessary and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I will agree though that the expiration timer on recovering your items and gil is absolutely unnecessary. I've never heard a satisfactory explanation for not holding stuff for people for a longer time period, if not indefinitely.

[worldofneil]

I think there's some confusion over the timings in question:

Houses are demolished after 45 days of not being entered (when the demolition timer is running anyway...)

Those objects are then held by the caretaker NPC for a further 35 days.

As to why there is a limited time to retrieve items, officially they've never said why, but personally I believe it's because housing was supposed to be a gil sink and this way they take money and items worth money out of the system.

The official post on reclamation is here: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e7ccabefa9954

To the OP though, sorry that you lost your house

More housing is coming just after 4.2 releases, although initially it's only for companies and we're unsure at this point when personal houses can be bought, but what I'm trying to say is you possibly have a little time to get some money together to be ready to get another one.

[Canadane]

I think its 45 days even so month and a half

45 days for the house.
35 days for the items that were removed from the house.
So 80 days total.

From my understanding.