Black Mage

[Remedi]

All classes are good but some are more good than others

(cit.)

[MagiusNecros]

Starting to feel like Warframe. Got shit that does stuff and shit that does stuff the other shit does but better. >_>

[Maero]

Let's face it SE have no clue how to balance, history of the game shows this has been the case forever.
Not just casters either, back in ARR a good portion of it Drg was in a bad state until around a little after coil was out if memory serves as by the end they had become one if not the highest dps.
Balance for them always seems to nerf one job and "buff" the other
Maybe just maybe they should seek out players to do testing, etc...

[MagiusNecros]

BLM isn't bad. But it isn't top DPS unless you bring your A game rotation and memorized an entire fight to the letter all to be but 10-30? PPS above the other casters who aren't worried about positioning(since they can move around freely) and bring utility as well.

And they made it easier to manage your 2 procs and gave you more warps. So all in all QoL stuff. Doesn't really solve BLM's issues but it's something I guess.

[HaroldSaxon]

we are not talking about utility and not about comparison - we talk about Blm being bad at all and that actually isn't true. that part that I quoted is just not true, thats what im all about. so: "If you can't understand this, then I don't know what to tell you –cause to be honest you totally missed the point. See also: bad. Plain and simple."

You are incorrect. BLM is bad, there is no reason to bring one and it is inferior to every other class in Progression and inferior to all but one class in Farm/Speedruns.

And that is ignoring the clunky state of the class.

Maybe you should read your italics passage back to yourself.

BLM isn't bad. But it isn't top DPS unless you bring your A game rotation and memorized an entire fight to the letter all to be but 10-30? PPS above the other casters who aren't worried about positioning(since they can move around freely) and bring utility as well.

And they made it easier to manage your 2 procs and gave you more warps. So all in all QoL stuff. Doesn't really solve BLM's issues but it's something I guess.

If you think the proc management and AM changes are what make the class not bad, then you have absolutely no clue how to play Black Mage to a high level.

[Kabooa]

After being able to play it a bit, the only impactful change is Thundercloud's duration, but even that is mostly rendered null and avoid on multiple proc cases.

[Shiroe]

a "bad" class, is a class that has issues getting in PFs or statics..., that was the case pre 4.2 for blm

... and a "bad" class, can also play "clunky" or / and be "not rewarding"... (last can be subjectiv)

[Lina_Slayer]

Black Mage is the textbook definition of bad, it takes a lot of effort to master (see the difference between low percentile BLMs and high percentile BLMs) but once you do you don't have any meaningful reward, it brings nothing any other class can't and is alongside SAM a meme job, Soul of the Black Mage and Soul of Samurai are the undisputed WiS (worst in slot) of the soulstone slot.

[Shiroe]

eventhough the blm changes were not enough (especially after buffing mnk so much, some PFs dont even bother with a caster spot.. or its still smn for farm PFs ... and smn / rdm for prog PFs)

BUT blm has imo never been more fun to play, .. you can actually now "time" thos procs for more dps or for mechanics..., especially the thunder procs .. and are not constantly getting angry at clipping the procs .. or haveing to worry it will drop of so soon (can have your eyes on other things and not like "oh a proc!?, eyes glued to the remaing timer", . since we have more wayroom now)

even if it still bugs the fvck out if me, that blm are still the least desirable dps of all, ... making it still hard to get in PFs..

[Sylvain]

I'm à bit surprised that people keep talking about BLM ban from pf. Since sb I coudl count on 1h the number of time BLM was actively banned from a group, and those were usually Learning in group month after the boss release (like BLM on shin when most people are 335+ilv), which was laughable.

Is it that omnipresent in the US or I've just been lucky for 2 patches