Should healing be this difficult while leveling?

[KDSilver]

but with Sch I do feel like I'm able to heal and dps fairly competently, but now with Whm and I'm sitting here wondering what I'm missing that makes Whm the easy mode that I see people say it is.

Because Scholar have a versatile gameplay.
Constant healing output with the fairy, mitigation, instant cast heal with aetherflow abiliies. You may feel like the tank take less damage this way.

But as a WHM, you have the regens and only 3 instant heal with at least 1min of CD.(the shield come at lvl70).

The first mistake to don't make is to spam Cure II. Cause it will cost a lot of mana, especially if don't use lucid dreawing and assize correctly.
Always prefer using a regen + cure. And if incoming damages are strong, you can use cure II (cure i has a chance to proc Cure II at free cost).
Be sure your tank always have a regen once he took aggro. You can couple it with Asyluym which is another regen. You can even boost the power of your regen with largess.
Use Tetra once the tank lost around 30% of his HP to make a good profit of it.
Use lucid dreaming around 80% of your mana.
Use Benediction if you feel you won't have the time to cast a Cure
Use Assize whenever it's up cause damages + mana + healing.
Otherwise, you can swifcast + holy. It will stun all ennemis, and it'll give you 6s to breath and healing your tank, put some regens...

There's many way as a whm to handle big pulls.
But, yes, with low ilvl gear, you'll spend more time healing at first in these dungeons, it's perfectly normal.
They hit pretty hard.

Anyway, try to use every abilites you (but not at once).
One moment, couple your Cure and regen with largesse... then once largesse has ended, asylum and tetra... once you don't have any oGCD remaining, you can use the swifcast + holy strategy.

I think you should have less difficulties this way.

[Vyriah]

Also, I've noticed that the lilly system work super well in those kind of instances were trash mob hit like trucks and every one is undergeared as you will certainly use single target healing spells a lot. Minding your OGCD usage to have them come back sooner can be a life saver.
The idea is to use the longer cooldown first so you can use them multiple time during the same pull and keep divine benison when you only have 1 lilly. Also, pay attention the what kinf of CD the tank is using. For exemple using holy to mitigate the damage is good, but using it when sentinel will lessen the effect.

WHM clearly is the best dungeon healer, and maybe one of the best dungeon class period.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

The first mistake to don't make is to spam Cure II. Cause it will cost a lot of mana, especially if don't use lucid dreawing and assize correctly.
Always prefer using a regen + cure. And if incoming damages are strong, you can use cure II (cure i has a chance to proc Cure II at free cost).
Be sure your tank always have a regen once he took aggro. You can couple it with Asyluym which is another regen. You can even boost the power of your regen with largess.

Trying to level WHM myself, and this was something I was wondering myself. How you're supposed to use Asylum is a mystery to me. There's never really any pulls that have large AoE like that and the DD jobs only get hit with unavoidables or if they're stupid, so it really only would help the tank out, so I end up just not using it. You're really supposed to just not care that it doesn't help AoE cures and just use it as a regen for the tank? Seems strange, but I guess if I'm not using it for, well, anything it would make sense.

Also, uh, Cure II's a mistake? For me it seems like the tank's HP ping-pongs every pull outside of the first one. Maybe it's just Bardam's Mettle doing it's thing, maybe not, but sometimes it just doesn't seem like Cure spam + regen would be enough.

[Vyriah]

Yeah, don't hesitate to use asylum as an additionnal HoT. It can be used after party wide damage fi you want, but's less effective that way. It shines a bit more in some specific raid situations.

Cure 2 is strong when the tank is loosing HP really fast, but try using some cure 1 if you can. There's a chance to get a free cure 2 proc by using cure 1, wich make your MP easier to manage.
I wouldn't go as far as to call it an error, but not over using it is generally a good idea. I can make the tank hold longer, especially if the pull tend to get a bit too long.

[Tridus]

Trying to level WHM myself, and this was something I was wondering myself. How you're supposed to use Asylum is a mystery to me. There's never really any pulls that have large AoE like that and the DD jobs only get hit with unavoidables or if they're stupid, so it really only would help the tank out, so I end up just not using it. You're really supposed to just not care that it doesn't help AoE cures and just use it as a regen for the tank? Seems strange, but I guess if I'm not using it for, well, anything it would make sense.

I think it was intended as an AoE recovery tool, but DPS won't stay in it reliably and Medica II/Assize/Cure III already do that. So yes, Asylum works best if you drop it on the tank and treat it like an extra Regen. The tank is likely to stay in it, at least.

Also, uh, Cure II's a mistake? For me it seems like the tank's HP ping-pongs every pull outside of the first one. Maybe it's just Bardam's Mettle doing it's thing, maybe not, but sometimes it just doesn't seem like Cure spam + regen would be enough.

Bardam's Mettle trash hits like trucks that are filled with smaller trucks. That is where you can tell real fast is a tank is in Shire gear still or if they've gotten drops from Bardam's already, because the defense stat differences are huge. It's IMO one of the hardest dungeons to heal in the entire game, and far harder than any expert. Ideally you don't want to Cure II spam in there, but you might have to. Do remember that you can Swiftcast Holy to stun the entire trash pack, Assize, Tetra, and Benediction should all be used to help out, and at that level you can get Divine Benison. If you're spamming Cure, you have the lilies to use it.

If MP is an issue, try to mix Cure and Cure II to get some Freecure procs. They help. That kinda ceases to be much of an issue at 70.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

Usually I just open up pulls with Regen > Aero III > Thin Air > Holy x3, assuming the tank doesn't drop like a rock while I'm busy casting Aero III. I figured that's how you were supposed to do it because I see WHMs do it all the time in Expert.

After the stuns wear off I tend to get to where I'm alternating Cure II and Aero to try to keep my dots rolling. Thinking about it I had far less of an issue in Shisui of the Violet Tides(Except for that one Warrior who pulled the first two packs then swapped to his dps stance, that one I didn't manage to keep alive because I didn't notice he did that, so I was still trying to apply Aeros and he lost like half of his HP in an instant, and I couldn't get him back up, but I think that wasn't my fault so much), so I suppose once I get to Doma Castle Cure + Regen might be enough to continue dotting things.

One small note I've learned, Cure III's splash healing range doesn't seem to be very large. I remember on the last boss of Bardam's, I stood inside of the bird when everyone was still in the melee hitbox, cast Cure III on myself, and it hit no one. That suggests to me Cure III's not really useful outside of more organized raiding, unless I'm missing something.

[MoroMurasaki]

One small note I've learned, Cure III's splash healing range doesn't seem to be very large. I remember on the last boss of Bardam's, I stood inside of the bird when everyone was still in the melee hitbox, cast Cure III on myself, and it hit no one. That suggests to me Cure III's not really useful outside of more organized raiding, unless I'm missing something.

Cure III is my go-to for healing damage from stack markers. It seems to have about the range of the yellow circle for a stack marker too. In pugged casual content I rarely use it for anything else though, better to Medica/II and know I'm getting everyone.

My 'opener' for a large pull involves an Aero III if I think it will hit more than two enemies at the start of the pull, Aero cast on enemies during the run, Swiftcast+Holy as enemies are grouped, Regen the tank and drop Asylum, an Aero III to get the whole group dotted then Cleric Stance+Presence of Mind, Holy, Thin Air+Assize into a Holy spam. Tetra will be used on the tank as my go-to initial heal.

The first Aero III can be omitted if it isn't a very long run, I mostly use that for megapulls like the first boss to second boss pull in Ala Mhigo where those dots will have some time to tick.

[VanilleFang]

Usually I just open up pulls with Regen > Aero III > Thin Air > Holy x3

Generally I do a pull like this (once the pull has settled some what): Largesse+Regen > Asylum > Cleric Stance+Holy > Swiftcast+Aero III > Assize > Presence of Mind+Thin Air > Holy spam until tank drops to about 50% > Tetra > Holy spam until tank drops to about 20-30% > Benediction > Cure II/Holy/Stone IV as needed.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

Cure II is not a mistake.My point was : ONLY spamming Cure II and ignoring the rest of your tool is a mistake ^^
Besides, is you feel like the damages are strong, of course, you'll prefer using Cure II over Cure. But what makes Cure a solid argument (at least at the very beginning of the pull) is that it costs less and can proc Cure II at free cost. Since the OP seemed to have mp issus, that's why I said that.

You don't need aoe situation to use Asyluym. Yes, it is aoe, but it can also be used as single target HoT. And the best example for that is dungeon where only the tank takes damages. Asylum is a free oGCD so it's better to use it.

Ooooooh okay. Admittedly I kinda skimmed over the OP when I was mostly looking for helpful tips for healing, saw the "The first mistake to don't make is to spam Cure II." line and went "Aw hell have I been doing this wrong the whole time?" and got a little worried. So my bad? I ran Doma a lot today and have been trying to use Cure instead of only Cure II's, and it's working. MP wasn't really an issue for me before, but it's gotten better still now. The Asylum suggestion was great to, when Regen/Medica II/Asylum is rolling on the tank I basically just get to cast Stone the whole time, though I don't Medica II just for the tank. Thanks for that.

Cure III range is the same as Asylyum if you want to have an idea.
Cure III is useful when you have to aoe, and everyone is at the range of your spell. It is indeed used more on Primals fight and raid.
One Cure III is less expensive than two Medica, and is faster to cast. That's what make it really good.

Cure III is my go-to for healing damage from stack markers. It seems to have about the range of the yellow circle for a stack marker too. In pugged casual content I rarely use it for anything else though, better to Medica/II and know I'm getting everyone.

Now THIS is good info! I've had no idea how I was supposed to use Cure III cause I couldn't really get it to do what I wanted it to do, so a range approximation, why Cure III is good to use if you can, and a practical use suggestion is really helpful.

My 'opener' for a large pull involves an Aero III if I think it will hit more than two enemies at the start of the pull

This looks like a good idea. It didn't occur to me to try to fire off an Aero III on the pull. I typically run along it and Aero things, but if I had, I would have thought that getting off an Aero III at roughly the same time the tank makes the pull would cause aggro problems. That not being the case, this is a great idea.

Generally I do a pull like this (once the pull has settled some what): Largesse+Regen > Asylum > Cleric Stance+Holy > Swiftcast+Aero III > Assize > Presence of Mind+Thin Air > Holy spam until tank drops to about 50% > Tetra > Holy spam until tank drops to about 20-30% > Benediction > Cure II/Holy/Stone IV as needed.

Largesse boosts regens? I don't know why but this never occurs to me until someone points it out. I mained SCH for about a year starting around 2.4 or 2.5 and didn't realize Rouse boosted Whispering Dawn until a few months after I changed to MCH main when I was browsing a SCH tips and tricks thread, and I just didn't think Largesse would work on Regen in the same way. Oh well, the more you know I suppose. I try to not be a bad healer, I swear, lol. Looking at this opener, it looks really good and I'll give it a try. Then I'm sad, because not only did I not realize the Largesse thing, I see you listing Presence of Mind and think "What is this Presence of Mind thing?" Turns out it wasn't on my bars at all. Presence of Mind looks like it'll be really helpful. I can think of a few times it would've been nice, like that one time I was in Doma and the tank pulled the 2 packs of 6 mobs immediately after the second boss. It helped the MCH knew how to use Palisade.

Thanks everyone for all the little tips and tricks, I don't really have any more specific questions or things I need advice for. The job forums are really helpful, when I ask questions about things in the healer, tank, and DD sections I tend to get really detailed answers. In this particular case, I got good MP saving advice, advice on how to use two abilities I never use, reminded that one really helpful ability existed, and a tip on a different use for two others. At minimum. You guys are great! Thanks again!

[KDSilver]

Trying to level WHM myself, and this was something I was wondering myself. How you're supposed to use Asylum is a mystery to me. There's never really any pulls that have large AoE like that and the DD jobs only get hit with unavoidables or if they're stupid, so it really only would help the tank out, so I end up just not using it. You're really supposed to just not care that it doesn't help AoE cures and just use it as a regen for the tank? Seems strange, but I guess if I'm not using it for, well, anything it would make sense.

Also, uh, Cure II's a mistake? For me it seems like the tank's HP ping-pongs every pull outside of the first one. Maybe it's just Bardam's Mettle doing it's thing, maybe not, but sometimes it just doesn't seem like Cure spam + regen would be enough.

Cure II is not a mistake.My point was : ONLY spamming Cure II and ignoring the rest of your tool is a mistake ^^
Besides, is you feel like the damages are strong, of course, you'll prefer using Cure II over Cure. But what makes Cure a solid argument (at least at the very beginning of the pull) is that it costs less and can proc Cure II at free cost. Since the OP seemed to have mp issus, that's why I said that.

You don't need aoe situation to use Asyluym. Yes, it is aoe, but it can also be used as single target HoT. And the best example for that is dungeon where only the tank takes damages. Asylum is a free oGCD so it's better to use it.

One small note I've learned, Cure III's splash healing range doesn't seem to be very large. I remember on the last boss of Bardam's, I stood inside of the bird when everyone was still in the melee hitbox, cast Cure III on myself, and it hit no one. That suggests to me Cure III's not really useful outside of more organized raiding, unless I'm missing something.

Cure III range is the same as Asylyum if you want to have an idea.
Cure III is useful when you have to aoe, and everyone is at the range of your spell. It is indeed used more on Primals fight and raid.
One Cure III is less expensive than two Medica, and is faster to cast. That's what make it really good.