Should healing be this difficult while leveling?

[Renryuu]

Heya, so currently I'm leveling Whm which is the last healer for me to level to 70 and I'm feeling like I may be missing something. With Sch I had it when I leveled Smn to 70 so I don't have experience on it and with Ast, it was my first healer to 70 and at the time I thought the problem was just me having not been a healer for such a long time and having to relearn as well as learning Ast. Now I'm leveling Whm which was my main healer back in ARR and once again I'm feeling overwhelmed like I was with Ast.

I just did Sirensong and had a War tank who used Defiance on pulls but swapped to Deliverance afterwards for the rest of the pull and I was having to expend all my mp just to keep him alive on trash packs. The only time I got to dps on trash packs was on the very first pull of the dungeon and the last part with the 2 dogs and the one single mob. The one time I tried to dps outside of those instances, the tank dropped like a rock so after that I had to go nearly empty on every pull to keep him alive. Boss fights were fine and things felt normal, but when it came to the trash, my goodness I felt like I was horribly missing something.

I know at 70 I still struggle with trying to heal, dps and use cards with Ast, but with Sch I do feel like I'm able to heal and dps fairly competently, but now with Whm and I'm sitting here wondering what I'm missing that makes Whm the easy mode that I see people say it is.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

For starters, how much HP did the tank have? That would give us an indication of the estimated item level. How well equipped are you yourself? In particular the weapon comes in mind. Were any cooldowns used? Did the warrior hop into Deliverance at the very start or only for the last bit? Did he dodge AoEs?

Aside from that here are some general ideas:
Holy is a pseudo Hallowed Ground; You can stun groups for 7 seconds total. Just use Tetragrammaton or Benediction in between or after if you're worried
Don't be shy to use Benediction. Benediction that is always off CD doesn't heal at all.
Use assize whenever. You could wait a few seconds with it if there are the right reasons for it (like one lily away from the last one)
Don't forget about Thin Air. Ideally you'd want to use it for expensive spells like Holy, but if you're that starved for MP, you could squeeze out extra spells out of "thin air" like that
Are you using your entire kit? From my own experience I noticed that healers tend to forget about Asylum, Presence of Mind, and Benediction

[Rufalus]

Yes the Leveling dungeons in the expansions don't have super soft enemies. It's normal for healer to be spending more time healing than dpsing on a big pull, especially if the tank isn't doing the best they can. If nothing else you can help dps a little with assize and swiftcast-holy without spending any cast time on it. 50/60/70 dungeon big pulls are a lot softer because our item level eventually grows way beyond the minimum the dungeon was designed for, while leveling dungeons have a tighter sync forever.

[Renryuu]

For starters, how much HP did the tank have? That would give us an indication of the estimated item level. How well equipped are you yourself? In particular the weapon comes in mind. Were any cooldowns used? Did the warrior hop into Deliverance at the very start or only for the last bit? Did he dodge AoEs?

If I remember, the tank had about 38k hp approximate when he was in Defiance stance. I'm in all 270 Shire gear and the 270 Proto-Ultimate Ring of Healing. I'm using the 270 Shire staff. I used Assize, Tetragrammaton, and Lucid Dream on cooldown. At the very start. He would pull with Defiance and once he stopped running, immediately swap to Deliverance and stayed in that stance until all the mobs were dead and then go back to Defiance for the next pull, rinse and repeat. From what I could tell, he dodge some of them at least, not for sure if he dodge all of them.

[Jollyy5]

To me 38k in Defiance seems a bit low for a level 61 WAR, gear was most likely one problem.

The other problem was him using Deliverance during big pulls, it's usually more beneficial to stay in Defiance, since a WHM who is able to DPS brings more group DPS than a warrior in Deliverance without any healer DPS. That said, I suspect he was also rotating his remaining mitigation tools poorly.

[SilentVoice]

healing a dungeon, especially a leveling one, is never the same if you dootie finder it. first barrier to overcome, when you are a healer - realize the potential of mistakes you can do that make run wipy or just plain terrible for the group. playing a tank also helps to understand the usual reasons why everything goes into hell due to tank mistakes or overconfidence in his own potential to stay alive on big packs even when backed with perfect healing. sortin out your own bads and group's bads will help you stay true to healer role without breaking your own confidence in what you do

[Sebazy]

Personally, i don’t think that it’s a case of leveling dungeons having healing requirements that are too high, but rather expert dungeons have healing requirements that are too low once people are geared up.

[KDSilver]

but with Sch I do feel like I'm able to heal and dps fairly competently, but now with Whm and I'm sitting here wondering what I'm missing that makes Whm the easy mode that I see people say it is.

Because Scholar have a versatile gameplay.
Constant healing output with the fairy, mitigation, instant cast heal with aetherflow abiliies. You may feel like the tank take less damage this way.

But as a WHM, you have the regens and only 3 instant heal with at least 1min of CD.(the shield come at lvl70).

The first mistake to don't make is to spam Cure II. Cause it will cost a lot of mana, especially if don't use lucid dreawing and assize correctly.
Always prefer using a regen + cure. And if incoming damages are strong, you can use cure II (cure i has a chance to proc Cure II at free cost).
Be sure your tank always have a regen once he took aggro. You can couple it with Asyluym which is another regen. You can even boost the power of your regen with largess.
Use Tetra once the tank lost around 30% of his HP to make a good profit of it.
Use lucid dreaming around 80% of your mana.
Use Benediction if you feel you won't have the time to cast a Cure
Use Assize whenever it's up cause damages + mana + healing.
Otherwise, you can swifcast + holy. It will stun all ennemis, and it'll give you 6s to breath and healing your tank, put some regens...

There's many way as a whm to handle big pulls.
But, yes, with low ilvl gear, you'll spend more time healing at first in these dungeons, it's perfectly normal.
They hit pretty hard.

Anyway, try to use every abilites you (but not at once).
One moment, couple your Cure and regen with largesse... then once largesse has ended, asylum and tetra... once you don't have any oGCD remaining, you can use the swifcast + holy strategy.

I think you should have less difficulties this way.

[Vyriah]

Also, I've noticed that the lilly system work super well in those kind of instances were trash mob hit like trucks and every one is undergeared as you will certainly use single target healing spells a lot. Minding your OGCD usage to have them come back sooner can be a life saver.
The idea is to use the longer cooldown first so you can use them multiple time during the same pull and keep divine benison when you only have 1 lilly. Also, pay attention the what kinf of CD the tank is using. For exemple using holy to mitigate the damage is good, but using it when sentinel will lessen the effect.

WHM clearly is the best dungeon healer, and maybe one of the best dungeon class period.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

The first mistake to don't make is to spam Cure II. Cause it will cost a lot of mana, especially if don't use lucid dreawing and assize correctly.
Always prefer using a regen + cure. And if incoming damages are strong, you can use cure II (cure i has a chance to proc Cure II at free cost).
Be sure your tank always have a regen once he took aggro. You can couple it with Asyluym which is another regen. You can even boost the power of your regen with largess.

Trying to level WHM myself, and this was something I was wondering myself. How you're supposed to use Asylum is a mystery to me. There's never really any pulls that have large AoE like that and the DD jobs only get hit with unavoidables or if they're stupid, so it really only would help the tank out, so I end up just not using it. You're really supposed to just not care that it doesn't help AoE cures and just use it as a regen for the tank? Seems strange, but I guess if I'm not using it for, well, anything it would make sense.

Also, uh, Cure II's a mistake? For me it seems like the tank's HP ping-pongs every pull outside of the first one. Maybe it's just Bardam's Mettle doing it's thing, maybe not, but sometimes it just doesn't seem like Cure spam + regen would be enough.