Best 60-70 Job Quest?

[sarehptar]

On broader story strokes, DRK was amazing but there were a couple of contradiction with the 30-50 questlines that rubbed me off the wrong way.

That might be because the English version meddled around with the translations again, resulting in some stuff coming a bit out of leftfield in the English version. There's some more literal translations of stuff out there that kind of patches a few holes in the 30-50 part.

Also, echoing a lot of other people and definitely saying DRK. I felt like I was playing main story quests rather than side story quests, with how the plot interacts with figures and important events from the main story. And there's all that psychological stuff which is interesting, of course--your character gets to actually reflect on the horrors of war. But even more than that... I might be the only one, but I honestly crack up hard at the comedic relief parts of the DRK questline from 50-70. Seeing the edgelord Au Ra dude punching moogles in the face is entertaining in a whole different way.

[BillyKaplan]

That might be because the English version meddled around with the translations again, resulting in some stuff coming a bit out of leftfield in the English version. There's some more literal translations of stuff out there that kind of patches a few holes in the 30-50 part.

The things that bothered me were nonverbal cues so I doubt localization had to do with it.

When Fray manifests at the final quest and Sid and he exchange these looks like they know each other. The whole point in 30-50 was that it wasn't really Fray, it was you projecting and using his image until the end where he unmasks and you face yourself. But in the 70 quest they made it seem too much like it was really Fray. But if that's the case, who was... what's his face Myste? The only way I can maybe logic around it is if they blame it on your Soul Crystal, but between them never really saying it and most of the quest being, as usual, about the NPCs who can talk more than your silent PC, it was likely meant to be the climax of Sid's arc, and he was to be taken as really Fray, which... makes... no... sense......

I mean, overall it's really not that bad, it was relatively minor, but that sort of detail is what I live for, the 30-50 questline had basically all my favorite tropes, and it was the last quest, so that's one of the things that stayed after, making it a bit meh. Then came the last scene tho, giving birth to that level 70 skill, and it made me wish all the more the DRK questline was a sidequest rather than a job quest, and a tank one at that.

[HyoMinPark]

The things that bothered me were nonverbal cues so I doubt localization had to do with it.

The non-verbal queues tend to make a bit more sense when you look at it from the original Japanese compared to the English localization, in my opinion. This is just based on the reactions of my character in the level 50 cutscenes after familiarizing myself with the original Japanese...

Example 1:
In the English, your Darkside says to you: “I seem to have underestimated myself, but no matter. They have borne witness to the darkness within us. To what lies beneath the mask.”

In the Japanese, your Darkside says to you: “So this is the end. You gave me a voice, and now you take it away. Is this not...terribly ironic...? That strength of yours...it makes you a hero...but it gives you so much pain. And one day...it might even claim your life...”

I feel like the sad expression on our character’s face, while it fits the English, fits the Japanese dialogue much more.

Example 2:
In the English, your Darkside says to you, “So this is your answer. Listen to my voice. Listen to our heartbeat. Listen...”

In the Japanese, your Darkside says to you, “I am...the part of you that could not be a hero. But I wonder...if I could be one with you once more.”

I feel like the nod and the smile our character does makes a lot more sense in the Japanese context, especially when our Darkside smiles back, and reaches their hand out to commune with our character again.

Source of the translation (because I’m not skilled enough in Japanese/way too lazy to translate myself): awesome post that is awesome.

While I’ve only briefly translated bits and pieces of the 70 quest myself...

In the Japanese version, Sid actually does acknowledge Fray as Fray in the level 70 quest (he says: “It can’t be...Fray? What is this?”). However, Fray acknowledges himself as the same “vision” as his other incarnations (I’m assuming this is referring to how he was during the 30~50 quest chain), which was born from “you” (the player). So, technically, Fray manifests as Fray, but acknowledges himself as an extension of your character (unless I am misunderstanding/losing something in translation).

The lore behind soul stones seems to imply that they carry the deeds and memories of their past owners, so I think this could possibly tie in to why it was “Fray” that manifested during the level 70 quest instead of your “Darkside” (though that would have been incredibly epic to fight alongside your Darkside as opposed to against it, not even going to lie there).

Myste is viewed as your own personal remorse/regret over failing to save some of those who are close to you—he has Haurchefant’s hair color/eyes, and Ysayle’s hair, if you want some telltale signs as to why people think this. I actually really like the contrast between the 30~50 and 60~70 quest chains: one is exploring the side of you that harbors anger and resentment, and a desire to return to normalcy; the other exploring the side of you the harbors regret and remorse at failing to save the lives of those you love. I think that’s what “Fray” and “Myste” represent in the level 70 quest, and when they both vanish into the abyss, it’s them becoming one with you once more and your character returning to a state of acceptance/peace.

That’s just my thoughts on it, anyways. I enjoy the DRK quests because both versions (Japanese and English) actually make you stop and think about the deeper aspects of the story. Very psychological; I love it! :3

I honestly can’t wait to see if that translator translates the SB DRK quests. I am super excited to read them! :3

[Alaray]

I have WHM, DRK, RDM, SAM, PLD, WAR all at 70 at the moment, and out of them:

- DRK was my favorite, hands down.
- WHM is probably second, I enjoyed the smaller scope and the characterizations.
- RDM I enjoyed, it's a bit cliche but a bit fun at the same time.
- SAM (tbh I haven't completed those quests oops)
- PLD kinda blows in my opinion
- WAR absolutely blows.

[BillyKaplan]

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See, that I would've been ok with. And with how much focus your Soul Crystal got during that questline (THE ONE TIME IT DID, let us not forget that quest actually deals with that for once) it makes sense that's the source of that particular issue. Which leaves me more with my last frustration being

that Haurchefant rightly should've showed up. But because we are a silent PC it would've been easier to show the journey through Sid rather than actually show our own biggest regrets. It's obvious that's who this is about from our conversation with Edmondt at the end, and I love that you get the 70 skill - the one where you can actually protect others - as a lesson learned form losing Hauchy, and likely being inspired by him. Still I'd have liked to see him at least for a flash, tho if they did more we likely would've had to fight him, and I think that would've prompted me to uninstall on the spot

[Antonio_Xul]

Hmm. After reading all this it looks like I'm going to level Dark Knight 60-70 next. I have to see what happens. Sad thing is I'll never use Dark Knight in anything, but I hope the story is as good as the previous ones.

[Maero]

I liked Red Mage and Blm, scholar was cool as well. Bard, Sam and Ninja were all very forgetable to me

[HyoMinPark]

See, that I would've been ok with.

I understand.

I would have loved to have seen more from our character, but maybe our suffering was supposed to be conveyed through Myste and the things he said, those things being our innermost thoughts and regrets. Since it’s insinuated that Myste is another part of our character, much like how Fray is (to an extent).

And I would have loved to have seen Haurchefant. I was already losing it during the 3.3 MSQ when he showed up during that epic scene after Final Steps of Faith. But I would not have been able to fight him. ;-; I think the reason a lot of our enemies were chosen my have something to do with our character expressing regret over having to make the tough decision of killing them (though it would have been kill or be killed).

Hmm. After reading all this it looks like I'm going to level Dark Knight 60-70 next. I have to see what happens. Sad thing is I'll never use Dark Knight in anything, but I hope the story is as good as the previous ones.

You absolutely will not be disappointed. I don’t tank much myself, but the story alone is worth leveling DRK. :3

[Ilenya]

Let's see, of what I have done...
SMN was fun, but SMN tend to poke at lore more than the rest for certain things.
SCH was...Well, it was something? I don't remember most of it, but I remember being a little unimpressed.
WAR was silly, and I enjoyed it for that, but Gorge really needs to stop yo-yoing on his control.
Paladin was fun, mostly because of who came back for us to FINALLY fight.
The WHM fight seemed easy, but otherwise mostly just a case of "Cool, new Padjal."

I think my only real issue with the DRK level 70 fight was...Why or how did the Warriors of Darkness show up? Why on earth would we regret that? Yes, we fought them, yes, they had sad reasons for it, but in the end, despite it being a waste of the characters, their story ended in a good way, with them going back to their world with Hydelaen. In no way shape or form should we have had issues with that.

[Derio]

Im sorry but DRK had the best suprise story ending for the lvl 70 quest hands down. Honestly it had me in the feels more than stormblood.

PLD brought back some memories but DRK is the best one by far.