Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[Oscura]

raiders really cheese a lot of things and think its skill when its not. If the boss ever decided to reflect debuffs, you'd all have no idea what to do.

If there was ever anything on the forums I read that was pig-headed, this is it.

[RiyahArp]

If there was ever anything on the forums I read that was pig-headed, this is it.

if the boss randomly decided to increase enmity on one party member, it would break your shirk combo. If they nerfed nin shadewalker, youd be screwed. If DRG only buffed spear damage instead of all piercing damage, and all buffs were solely for each jobs weapon type, you'd lose so much advantage that you'd be scrambling for a new meta. If healing potency dropped, you'd have no choice but to stay in tank stance and use jobs with mitigation in tank stance. most of you guys vastly overrate your skill and underrate how much the mob design more or less give certain party metas free reign.

[Oscura]

if the boss randomly decided to increase enmity on one party member, it would break your shirk combo. If they nerfed nin shadewalker, youd be screwed. If DRG only buffed spear damage instead of all piercing damage, and all buffs were solely for each jobs weapon type, you'd lose so much advantage that you'd be scrambling for a new meta. If healing potency dropped, you'd have no choice but to stay in tank stance and use jobs with mitigation in tank stance. most of you guys vastly overrate your skill and underrate how much the mob design more or less give certain party metas free reign.

Yeah, because no player is ever capable of adapting to changes in the game's balance. This game's balance has never changed in the 4+ years it's been played. Every class, encounter and the methods people have taken have been the exact same. /s

Raiding doesn't even work the same way now as it did in 3.x. As I said, your statements are pig-headed and condescending.

[RiyahArp]

the encounters have been similar for the most part, save for a couple gimmicks like the gobwalker or the gorilla, and the raid style gameplay has been static for over three years. They even started standardizing and reusing earlier mechanics from past endgame, in order to enable players to eyeball and predict them. The big difference is that its easier overall, and people only adapted because they nerfed the heck out of HW to bring it down to a much more palatable level.Whenever they make it hard again, grats less than 1% of the playerbase clears, i.e Super Savage. I don't think they'd adapt as easy as people think, and for people who talk so much about unskilled players, they forget how much raiding was nerfed to keep people even doing it, and how easy SE can just break 90% of raiders through difficulty in content. And pigheaded is the constant raider obsession with getting parsers into the game; they need to make raids much harder if they are going to worry so much about others playing and not themselves.

[HyoMinPark]

raiders really cheese a lot of things and think its skill when its not. If the boss ever decided to reflect debuffs, you'd all have no idea what to do.

Riyah, I have asked you before why you care so much about parser debates, especially when they relate to content that you do not even take part in, and have never received an answer. You’ve made your stance on how you feel about raiders and parsers well-known through a lot of unnecessarily hostile and ignorant posts. We get it; you don’t like raiders and you don’t like parsers. And that’s fine. But there’s no need for overexaggeration, nor your hostility.



This thread is supposed to be about survey feedback, opinion clarifications and explanations, and for civilized discussion. Coming in here and calling people (key word here is people) pigheaded just because you disagree with them is not civilized. This thread was more or less civilized debating until the last couple of pages, which was something I was glad to see, since so many debates surrounding parsers and raiders tend to turn sour quickly. I’m asking everyone here now to just return to the polite debates that the majority of the thread has been. You can’t get anywhere with name-calling and hostility, and they do nothing for your arguments.

[Vstarstruck]

Riyah, I have asked you before why you care so much about parser debates, especially when they relate to content that you do not even take part in, and have never received an answer. You’ve made your stance on how you feel about raiders and parsers well-known through a lot of unnecessarily hostile and ignorantposts. We get it; you don’t like raiders and you don’t like parsers. And that’s fine. But there’s no need for overexaggeration, nor your hostility.



This thread is supposed to be about survey feedback, opinion clarifications and explanations, and for civilized discussion. Coming in here and calling people (key word here is people) pigheaded just because you disagree with them is not civilized. This thread was more or less civilized debating until the last couple of pages, which was something I was glad to see, since so many debates surrounding parsers and raiders tend to turn sour quickly. I’m asking everyone here now to just return to the polite debates that the majority of the thread has been. You can’t get anywhere with name-calling and hostility, and they do nothing for your arguments.

feel free tell me if i go outside the scope of the thread you had envisioned. In the end of the day I wish FFXIV's development team would give us SOMETHING to fight the huge skill gap.

[Oscura]

the encounters have been similar for the most part

Not even going to waste my time explaining why someone who doesn't raid shouldn't even bother posting their meaningless opinion on how similar or different encounters have been.

The big difference is that its easier overall, and people only adapted because they nerfed the heck out of HW to bring it down to a much more palatable level.Whenever they make it hard again, grats less than 1% of the playerbase clears, i.e Super Savage.

They never "nerfed" HW. If you're referring to Gordias, they went on record to say they that they didn't even test the content properly. It had nothing to do with difficulty. It was developer incompetence.

I don't think they'd adapt as easy as people think, and for people who talk so much about unskilled players, they forget how much raiding was nerfed to keep people even doing it,

That's your opinion, and the only raiding content "nerfed," aside from post-relevance or during echo is the difficulty comparison between Omega and Alexander, specifically creator. They only lowered the difficulty because people they wanted a lower bottom line. Raiders, who we are talking about, not casuals, did the content just fine and had little complaints. In fact some people considered creator and omega too easy.

and how easy SE can just break 90% of raiders through difficulty in content.

Flat out untrue. Generally anyone who gets cold feet and quits was never a serious raider in the first place. Most midcore groups have never quit content just because it was difficult.

And pigheaded is the constant raider obsession with getting parsers into the game; they need to make raids much harder if they are going to worry so much about others playing and not themselves.

"I don't like the way certain people talk so I'm validated in making rude comments," Ok. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you think that way doesn't mean you can blanket statement raiders as people who are incapable of playing the game if their precious meta is broken, or that they're too stupid to function in conditions where things aren't ideal for them. Despite the fact that raiders have constantly asked for that, which is why ultimate exists. There are plenty of groups who are still attempting to clear ultimate, even if many haven't.

Also it's not just raiders who want parsers, but feel free to constantly ignore those people who have already stated they don't raid and still want one.

Do you really just hate people having a different definition of fun than you? It feels like like everything you post is so personally driven.

Coming in here and calling people (key word here is people) pigheaded just because you disagree with them is not civilized.

Was this addressing me? I actually can't tell since you mention the keyword, and I was specifically addressing the words being used and less Riyah as a person.

[HyoMinPark]

Was this addressing me? I actually can't tell since you mention the keyword, and I was specifically addressing the words being used and less Riyah as a person.

It was more so with regards to Riyah. I know that you were addressing the statement as pigheaded; to me, it seemed that she was addressing raiders as a whole as pigheaded, hence why I included the word “people” in an attempt to clarify. It’s one thing to refer to comments as pigheaded or stupid, but another to actually call someone pigheaded or stupid. Of course, my interpretation of her comment could also be tainted by previous posts made by her, which are generally negative in terms of how she views raiders, raiding in general, and parsing. I apologize if that was unclear.

More so, I’m just trying to put a stop to any unneeded hostility, since that wasn’t the purpose of the thread, and I much prefer seeing civilized arguments between posters compared to arguments where people do nothing but name-call and make needless/baseless exaggerations. People are always entitled to their opinions, but opinions and thoughts can always be conveyed without the layers upon layers of hostility I sometimes see on here.

feel free tell me if i go outside the scope of the thread you had envisioned. In the end of the day I wish FFXIV's development team would give us SOMETHING to fight the huge skill gap.

So far, none of your posts have stood out to me as incredibly hostile, so I think you are fine. :3 I don’t mind if people want to politely debate pros and cons of parsers amidst their feedback; I just take issue with people that come into threads trying to push personal agendas, blatantly start crap by baiting people, or have nothing to actually add to or promote discussion.

[Oscura]

It was more so with regards to Riyah. I know that you were addressing the statement as pigheaded; to me, it seemed that she was addressing raiders as a whole as pigheaded, hence why I included the word “people” in an attempt to clarify. It’s one thing to refer to comments as pigheaded or stupid, but another to actually call someone pigheaded or stupid. Of course, my interpretation of her comment could also be tainted by previous posts made by her, which are generally negative in terms of how she views raiders, raiding in general, and parsing. I apologize if that was unclear.

It's fine, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't misinterpreted. I'm generally harsher than the average person but I never try to get personal with someone I'm either arguing or debating with and I didn't want you to feel that I was muddying up your goal for the thread with my posts. It wasn't and isn't my intent, and sorry if my replies pushed it further despite said lack of intent.

[Sebazy]

I apologise in advance Hyomin =/

Still proving my point. It limits your experience to the full player base. You do not know how widespread parser harassment is, why are you even posting here on this issue? parser harassment is common, PERIOD.

Then stop passing your opinion as fact?

Don't you see the irony in what you are saying?

Claiming that parser harassment is common is a HUGE claim, I'd put that in 72pt bold if I could. Yet you have nothing to back it up, nor does your profile indicate any real experience within this game. Do your viewpoint a favour and show us why we should believe your opinion over Kaldea's. If parser harassment really was common, these forums would be awash with screen caps of it. Now I dunno if you've noticed, but uh, that's not the case, certainly not as far as I can see.

The most concrete example you see on these boards is the is the oft mentioned JP niconico stream, yet the parser abuse was only part of the picture and frankly, even if they hadn't have had that tool at their disposal they would have moved straight onto the sexist drivel and straight up trolling etc. They went in to that situation with the intent to hurl abuse at her long before any parser numbers started flashing up on screen. It just happened to be the first of many 'stones' that they threw.

They even started standardizing and reusing earlier mechanics from past endgame, in order to enable players to eyeball and predict them. The big difference is that its easier overall, and people only adapted because they nerfed the heck out of HW to bring it down to a much more palatable level.

You realise that Savage has been watered down over time to make it appeal more to the casual scene right? Show me someone who claims to be a 'raider' yet whined about the difficulty of T9 or A8S and I'll show you a wannabe that's too big for their boots.

Whenever they make it hard again, grats less than 1% of the playerbase clears, i.e Super Savage.

Super Savage is a double whammy of high difficulty and an exceptionally long sequence of mechanics to learn and remember. Many groups simply aren't willing to put in the time needed as a whole unfortunately. Consider trying your hand at it and perhaps you'll appreciate why 1% of the player base has cleared it, I've pugged to Bahamut and since I apparently can't react to things, you should have no problems right?

I don't think they'd adapt as easy as people think, and for people who talk so much about unskilled players, they forget how much raiding was nerfed to keep people even doing it, and how easy SE can just break 90% of raiders through difficulty in content.

A opinion clearly built on an irrational hatred for 'raiders' and everything that entails.

How dare you brand us as being toxic when this is how you behave.

Whoa, this thread heated up. Let's be respectful, folks.

Demonizing the individuals on the other side of the topic just makes you look foolish.

^ This

Even if you don't agree with something, it's always better to be rational, realistic and well grounded in how you go about debating against something. I'm old, grouchy and highly opinionated but I also know that I'll do a much better job of putting my point across if I base it around clear and concise facts rather than just stating 'h8 u all' and leaving it at that