SE: if it aint broke, dont fix it (War)

[Chrono_Rising]

I can think of ONE accessibility change I'd like made, but it's on such a generic thing that it'd be easy to copy over to the other tanks.

I'd like it if Skull Sunder could also combo from Tomahawk. It would help for those Red Mages that don't believe in using Diversion when they're using using the heavy Ver-spells on pull.

But there's bound to be a lot of math needed to go into it so that we don't end up with some sort of daft "Tomahawk meta"

This is a nice suggestion on all tanks. Lets us build that enmity even faster if we need that combo. Though I do worry about that level 50 trial roulette with the hero off tank just spamming enmity being even worse.

[Tegernako]

I know right, I mean just look at these relevant (relevant being last response is in 2018) WAR threads in the tank forums.

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Those annoying chronic braggarts.

[Mycow8me]

Its all good, as you can see the drk threads have slowed down alot. We've either given up or succumbed to a lesser form of stockholm syndrome to a class we like.

You all enjoy your "usability changes", I'll just keep clipping gcds.

[Aana]

The war group attacks drks and its not fair!

The drk group attacks wars and its not fair!

And this is the general problem with the tank forums. The UP tank of the month makes sweeping generalizations about the OP tank of the month players. The OP tank of the month makes sweeping generalizations about the UP tank of the month players.

You cant on the one hand talk about War players as an arrogant/entitled group of players while in the same breath playing the unfairly generalized victim card when a War claimes Drks players are a whiney group that would rather hold other jobs hostage until they get buffs.

Each group is just doing the same thing to the other making wildly baseless claims about the motivations and personalities of an entire group of players that chose different jobs to main.

Every QOL/Request/Buff thread about war and pld, drks come clamoring out how they need to get to the back of the line and have 'no right' to ask for anything which is petty and absurd.

Every Drk QOL/Request/Buff thread has throngs saying its not as bad as you think, get over it, git gud, etc.

Wars aren't all a buncha mindless Xeno zombies. Drks aren't a buncha edgy crybabies playing a braindead job.

Those are in no way reflections of the hundreds of thousands of players that tank in this game. Forums are a vocal minority. Most people are just logging in and happily playing their jobs every day. Beating content. Most have never heard of Xeno or can name the job comp of world 1st groups. Stop attributing some made up BS to an entire playerbase because it suits you (OP of the month or UP of the month) as the 'true' victim.

Fighting over whos the bigger community victim doesn't make Drk any better or war any worse. The playerbase racing to the bottom of which group is shit on by the other groups more doesn't help anyone.

[Tegernako]

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Actually I said nothing, or at least did not mean to imply anything of that sort.

Anyone who does what I said, to any job, is wrong in my eyes. There have no doubt been times when looking back I'd tell myself that I was in the wrong as well.

I'm calling out individuals not jobs. There's a difference.

Far as I can remember, there has never been a time where I have blatantly said all PLD players or all DRK players, I have always tried to say "some" or specifically focus on one person.

I legit have no issue with DRK players feel snubbed...because I'm one of those players who feels snubbed. Yes I want WAR to be as best it can but I also want DRK to be the best it can. I want all jobs to be as good as they can so that everyone can enjoy themselves or at the very least feel useful. (That doesn't mean I think perfect balance is attainable)

I don't think WAR players are the victim of a vast conspiracy I just think certain people here are utter hypocrites. Like I often have serious disagreements with what you say, like this thread for instance, but the thought of you hating warriors never crossed my mind. That's the difference between people like you and others, which is why, no matter how much I disagree with you, I respond to you differently then I do with people like the other mentioned person you quoted. Because I don't think you're a hypocrite or a hater. I just think you're wrong on a lot of things.

(And you know, I'm probably very wrong on a lot of things. I would never say for instance, that I know more about tanks then you do. My disagreements tend to stem more from how I feel about something, rather then math and statistics and stuff which a lot of your posts have)

That being said, not going to disagree with the other parts of your post. That is exactly what happens and that is exactly what everyone claims every time.

Its all good, as you can see the drk threads have slowed down alot. We've either given up or succumbed to a lesser form of stockholm syndrome to a class we like.

You all enjoy your "usability changes", I'll just keep clipping gcds.

And what if you play WAR and DRK? I can't hope for both?

[Aana]

I should have added a note. I don't mean to "call out" the 2 of you specifically. Just the broader theme of tank vs tank using the blunt tool of generalization to the players themselves which happens far to frequently.

[Tegernako]

I should have added a note. I don't mean to "call out" the 2 of you specifically. Just the broader theme of tank vs tank using the blunt tool of generalization to the players themselves which happens far to frequently.

Fair enough. But I don't disagree with what you said really either if we're not talking about me specifically.

[Wintersandman]

Snip.

I have to say I love your post. All of it.

[Chrono_Rising]

... Just the broader theme of tank vs tank using the blunt tool of generalization to the players themselves which happens far to frequently.

Besides I think we all know what the real issue is here. Lalas...

[Wintersandman]

Besides I think we all know what the real issue is here. Lalas...

Don't be jealous of the master race.