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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanitas View Post
    Can I just be Exdeath as a blm?
    Only if you identify as a tree.
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    There's enough caster gear with armour attached that you can make an armoured caster with a little creativity. Nothing close to plate armour though, which is for the best. The roles should keep their unique aesthetics.
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  3. #23
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    Florence Leduc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    The aversion to paying money for things you want always confuses me.
    mostly because you already pay money every month for play the game, then pay extra for a content added to the game with money earned from the sub is always something that is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PartyMcfly View Post
    I mean, they already sell outfits and other various "basic game features" like emotes in the mogstation and have been doing so for years.
    I mean, they already sell mounts and dyes in the mogstation and have been doing so for years.
    I mean, they already sell furniture and old event items in the mogstation and have been doing so for years.
    I mean, they already sell fantasias and server transfers in the mogstation and have been doing so for years.
    There you have it folks. The slippery slope in post format for your viewing pleasure.

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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    mostly because you already pay money every month for play the game, then pay extra for a content added to the game with money earned from the sub is always something that is....
    You pay money monthly to access the game. Servers, game support, included patch updates and events. You seem to be under the impression that if the items weren't on the cash shop we'd have them ingame for free.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    This is extra. Additional appearance options are not basic features. You feel you should have access to all possible appearances in game because you pay your sub. I present that the customization options you take for granted need to be developed , tested and implemented and this requires money beyond basic maintenance of the game. Expanding these systems requires even more money even if it's just changing flags on equipment and that money has to come from somewhere. I'm willing to drop a couple dollars to make that happen, you are not. Who do you think SE would rather cater to?

    SE is a business, and will first and foremost chase profit. Not morals. Presenting a business case for what you want is the best possible presentation to get it noticed/implemented.
    You're..honestly defending the idea of re-skinning a L50 set and selling it as optional extra content? Jfc. People like you with this mindset are the reason the MMO genre continues its endless march towards monetizing every damn aspect of gameplay.
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    Last edited by Kohdo; 01-09-2018 at 04:36 PM.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohdo View Post
    You're..honestly defending the idea of re-skinning a L50 set and selling it as optional extra content? Jfc.
    Defending? I defend nothing. Do I think it's nice for them to do what they did? No. But I understand why ,and expecting a COMPANY to do nice things is setting yourself up for disappointment. Understanding the motivation behind the decisions they make will assist you in presenting a compelling case for implementing the things you want. If you think the cash shop is EVER going away, you don't understand how attractive it is to the company nor how many of the users are willing to use it without hesitation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kohdo View Post
    People like you with this mindset are the reason the MMO genre continues its endless march towards monetizing every damn aspect of gameplay.
    I could make snide comments about how it's sad you can't afford to play games.... but I was that person a while ago. Now I have cash to pay for things so my perspective has shifted. I am pretty sure I'd have ranted the same as you about 10 years ago.
    There are limits to what I'll tolerate.. and when I've reached them I'll no longer pay money which is the strongest voice you have. If you don't like it then stop paying for it.
    I don't know if one set you aren't forced to buy is a "jesus fucking christ" moment. But hey, whatever is important to you.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 01-09-2018 at 05:07 PM.
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Defending? I defend nothing. Do I think it's nice for them to do what they did? No. But I understand why ,and expecting a COMPANY to do nice things is setting yourself up for disappointment. Understanding the motivation behind the decisions they make will assist you in presenting a compelling case for implementing the things you want. If you think the cash shop is EVER going away, you don't understand how attractive it is to the company nor how many of the users are willing to use it without hesitation.
    Everyone understands why they do it, nobody here is under the impression that companies exist for any reason other than making money. You chastise others for being less than pleased about the idea of paying extra for re-skinned old content, then you say you disagree with it but "understand why they do it", and you make the assumption that others don't understand profit as a motivation.

    Simply understanding why companies love the MTX business model isn't a valid defense of it, and you're foolish to assume people who oppose it "don't understand".

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I could make snide comments about how it's sad you can't afford to play games.... but I was that person a while ago. Now I have cash to pay for things so my perspective has shifted. I am pretty sure I'd have ranted the same as you about 10 years ago.
    Lmfao, should've seen this one coming. The passive-aggressive "I could make x comment but I won't", and the timeless "Lol u poor, me rich".
    Pretty piss-poor as far as arguments go, and it makes you sound like a kid with his mummy's credit card. The microtransactions in FF are pretty good by genre standards, but it's genuinely sad that you'd be happy to see them expanded to re-skins of three-year-old content. Just because you're willing to spend your (or your parents') money on the ever-expanding list of cash shop content doesn't mean everyone else is keen for the game to go down that path, and it isn't because they don't understand profit as a motive for corporate decisions.
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    Last edited by Kohdo; 01-10-2018 at 11:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    You pay money monthly to access the game. Servers, game support, included patch updates and events. You seem to be under the impression that if the items weren't on the cash shop we'd have them ingame for free.
    We pay a monthly fee for all of this, these things are standard in MMO's now, not just FFXIV but in most sub based ones, SE doesn't even do it well in compared to others. Games used to have unlocks of extra characters, skins, gear, levels, etc via in game, they now are mostly parted out in the way of DLC's, the gaming industry has changed way too much for the worse since even 5-10 years ago.

    Let's not go deeper into freemium territory, unless of course they plan on removing subs, at which point the game will be dead right fast. Subs are required to keep the content flowing not just the servers and overhead.
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohdo View Post
    Everyone understands why they do it, nobody here is under the impression that companies exist for any reason other than making money. You chastise others for being less than pleased about the idea of paying extra for re-skinned old content, then you say you disagree with it but "understand why they do it", and you make the assumption that others don't understand profit as a motivation.

    Simply understanding why companies love the MTX business model isn't a valid defense of it, and you're foolish to assume people who oppose it "don't understand".
    I'm suggesting there are better approaches to get what you want then calling a company greedy and asking for them to forgo profit because it'd be nice or "right". I'm not defending it, I love free stuff as much as the next person. It doesn't need defense, it just is. It's how things are and unless the company can be convinced it's in their best interest to change, it will always be.
    If people understood it as well as you imply they'd not post half the threads I see on these forums.
    Make an argument for them NOT to do what they're doing that doesn't involve morals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kohdo View Post
    Lmfao, should've seen this one coming. The passive-aggressive "I won't could make x comment but I won't", and the timeless "Lol u poor, me rich".
    Pretty piss-poor as far as arguments go, and it makes you sound like a kid with his mummy's credit card. The microtransactions in FF are pretty good by genre standards, but it's genuinely sad that you'd be happy to see them expanded to re-skins of three-year-old content. Just because you're willing to spend your (or your parents') money on the ever-expanding list of cash shop content doesn't mean everyone else is keen for the game to go down that path, and it isn't because they don't understand profit as a motive for corporate decisions.

    You know what? that was a shitty thing to do. I'll apologize for that. I don't know you or your money situation. It's very possible you just value different things than I do. I'm not rich, I just have some pocket cash to blow on games.. mostly because I don't go out much.
    It's not that it's a possibility though, it's where it's going. This is what, for better or for worse the gaming world has become. Our game is one of the better examples but I'm realistic about the direction it's going.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 01-09-2018 at 05:44 PM.
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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