Question to players

[Darrcyphfeid]

How exactly would you "troll the crap out of" anyone without tanking your rank and dropping to a lower tier?

If there are only 3 ranks, for example, there's still going to be a massive gulf in player skill between the highest and lowest player in any given rank. Especially in gold, because people are constantly blowing SE's expectations out of the water. A sea of Gold+++ tier ratings would require, most likely, an utterly ridiculous number of poor/trolling performances to get dropped down.

Alternatively, your rank is based on only your last X number of runs. But even that would probably be open to griefing (no long-term consequences) and probably isn't what most people in favor of the two systems currently presented would want.

I believe the bottom line of what the OP was getting at is "would you be ok with being matched only with players with your amount of skill/knowledge/effort put in"? I know a lot of people I've run into feel like they play "well enough" and while they admit there is room for improvement they don't feel like they should bother doing more than their definition of "well enough".

Give me a scoreboard or a parser with a dedicated lobby for this and I'll consider hopping in. If it's something that's intentionally meant to be a competition, instead of just making life miserable for lesser skilled/dedicated players, I wouldn't be opposed to it and would play around with it from time to time when in the mood. It's about the only excitement I get out of EX Roulette beyond the first run of the dungeon anyway - playing with enmity meters, that is, since I'm a PS4 slob and can't parse anything myself.

[F_Maximillian]

Give me a scoreboard or a parser with a dedicated lobby for this and I'll consider hopping in. If it's something that's intentionally meant to be a competition, instead of just making life miserable for lesser skilled/dedicated players, I wouldn't be opposed to it and would play around with it from time to time when in the mood. It's about the only excitement I get out of EX Roulette beyond the first run of the dungeon anyway - playing with enmity meters, that is, since I'm a PS4 slob and can't parse anything myself.

You're missing the point of what I was saying. I don't think OP intended for a ranking system to be implemented at all. To me it was exactly the question of whether or not people would be fine with playing solely with others who put the same amount of effort in at any given time as they do. People have homed in on the notion of ranking and competition but the overall message the idea sends is that people seem like they wouldn't be ok with playing with others on their level on this game. Why that is one can only speculate.

[Enla]

You're missing the point of what I was saying. I don't think OP intended for a ranking system to be implemented at all. To me it was exactly the question of whether or not people would be fine with playing solely with others who put the same amount of effort in at any given time as they do. People have homed in on the notion of ranking and competition but the overall message the idea sends is that people seem like they wouldn't be ok with playing with others on their level on this game. Why that is one can only speculate.

Honestly though there's already a way to do precisely that. It's called making your own group of like minded individuals in a party and rolling with them instead. It's what I do when I can't be bothered to slog through content with people who might decide they'd rather be carried. If we aren't discussing a ranking system then that's pretty much all there is too it. If you don't want to be grouped with underachievers then the onus is on you to find people who share your same standards because you can't exactly implement such a thing properly /without/ a ranking system. Even a manual opt-in toggle will do little to no good because there are plenty of people in this game who think they're hot shit or want to be carried by better players. You legitimately can't create a system like this that will perfectly emulate the desired outcome because everyone's standards are different.

[F_Maximillian]

Honestly though there's already a way to do precisely that. It's called making your own group of like minded individuals in a party and rolling with them instead. It's what I do when I can't be bothered to slog through content with people who might decide they'd rather be carried. If we aren't discussing a ranking system then that's pretty much all there is too it. If you don't want to be grouped with underachievers then the onus is on you to find people who share your same standards because you can't exactly implement such a thing properly /without/ a ranking system. Even a manual opt-in toggle will do little to no good because there are plenty of people in this game who think they're hot shit or want to be carried by better players. You legitimately can't create a system like this that will perfectly emulate the desired outcome because everyone's standards are different.

There is no ranking system, nor do I think the OP would want one. Yes, you can already do just that and people who care enough about those they play with skill wise do just that. This feels aimed more at the people who get all up in arms when standards may be applied to them/accountability may be called into question and so far it seems to have worked exactly as expected. If you look past the poorly laid out notion of a ranking system you see a post asking if those who don't already filter people who play better or worse out would be ok with everyone they run into playing at the same level they do. The last line of the op is the only fully accurate line in the op. It's not even asking for a ranking system. It's an example in which such a system existed, would you be fine with how your gameplay experience was.

[akaneakki]

Honestly though there's already a way to do precisely that. It's called making your own group of like minded individuals in a party and rolling with them instead. .

Even if you make PF's like that on your own, you are always bound to meet 1-2 people who aren't up for your own standars. Pretty much what people say these days on PF: High dps, yet theirs is on pair with a tank or slightly above one. The system I talked about isn't about ranking the game/players, more like dividing them up for those they want to play with, alas same minded players. If a person think its hella fun to spam blizzard, why not pair them up with another person whos the same? Then you have players who say trying to aoe is making the game a job, so why not pair them up together since they don't want to?

Knowing how SE sets the bar so low, you'd get gold my spamming autos.

Lmao I actually laughed pretty hard there, thanks.

If it's about finding like-minded players, then instead of some shady secret mechanism why not let people actually state their preferences. E.g., to create a df profile where you list your attitudes: "I'm a beginner/Beginners welcome", "Prefer fast runs", "Want my tank to take it slow", "Braindead after 14h shift"... And when the duty pops up, players can see what matched.

That wouldn't been so bad tbh. Like a option etc.

[KatoKato]

If there are only 3 ranks, for example, there's still going to be a massive gulf in player skill between the highest and lowest player in any given rank.

This. I was reading the entire thread hoping someone will bring it up and well, thank you.
Even if we assume that SE has found some viable way to weigh players' merit, there is still a question of what's going on within the rank. Even in gold the game can easily match up 2.8k dps and 5k, which is hell of a gap itself, even if we don't go into the details about what these 2.8k dps mean for different jobs.

If it's about finding like-minded players, then instead of some shady secret mechanism why not let people actually state their preferences. E.g., to create a df profile where you tick / untick your attitudes, all that applies to one's playstyle: "I'm a beginner/Beginners welcome", "Prefer fast runs/agressive playstyle", "Want my tank to take it slow", "Braindead after 14h shift"... And when the duty pops up, players can see what positions they have matched (highlighted) or not matched (greyed out). Ideally if multiple parties are available people with similar attitudes will be paired up but if not, the queues won't become any longer but the members will be a bit more prepared for each other.