Question to players

[akaneakki]

Let's say this game was based on ranking. So you have either bronze, silver and gold ranks. So those ranks are spread on:
How much damage you do
Healing on time
Not over healing too much.
DPS actually use a rotatio and do damage as they should do, hence dps.
Tanks using cooldowns proppely, holding aggro
Healers dpsing
Tanks doing a decent amount of damage.

Now let's pretend you are very good so you end up with silver and gold rank players, but if you are bad you end up with only bronze players. Which means people who do blizzard spam etc in dungeons, healers clicking every 10 seconds. Yes even farm groups will end up you being with the same skilled people, so you have 5 wipes a row in farms then maybe 1-2 kill between. Would this be unfair for you all? Or would it be fair?
Basically you have a huge chance of ending up with same minded players, so if you don't aoe in dungeons, you will meet the same type of players in dungeons.

[Sebazy]

I made a similar proposal a while ago.

Effectively a hidden MMR specific to Expert Roulette that tried to put you with more like minded players.

It got shot down somewhat.

A shame as I thought it was a pretty decent shout for everyone, not just the 'elitist try-hards'.

Applying this sort of thing to more challenging content such as Trials and 24mans would be a massive no no for me though. That wouldn't be fair on the casual end of the player base as it'd likely make this sort of content a bit of a nightmare, more so than it already is. At least with Expert content, it's not going to create groups that just wipe constantly, it'll just be putting together people that'd likely unanimously prefer a steadier pace.

*edit*

And yep, you're getting shot down for the same reasons I did, even when those were exact reasons were explicitly covered

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At the risk of taking someone elses thread and running off with it:

Let's take the OP's suggestion and lay down a few firmly defined rules for it:

The ranking would be completely hidden from players, you wouldn't be able to see your own rank, let alone anyone elses.

It would apply to Expert Roulette only, storyline stuff, levelling, trials and 24 mans would be completely unaffected by it.

The odds of it actually causing you to fail your duty are next to non existent, how frequently do you fail an expert roulette?

It would only be a system of prioritisation, it's not going to segregate casuals from hardcores, in short, if there's 4 dps in the queue, it'll pair the highest ranked pair and the lowest ranked pairs together along with any corresponding healers that might be waiting. If there's only 2 DPS in the queue, they will get put together irrespective of their rank. Tanks would still end up first come first served unless a number of them queue at the same time.only

[Alestorm]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

[akaneakki]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

Like Sebazy said, it wouldn't apply to 24 man and trials. That would be something. I agree everyone deserve to clearn content, but to a degree... If someone is holding everyone else down, what about the rest of the group? Should they be held down and simply try till they get a kill, so just that 1 person can get it? The rank system also prevent people to end up with ''try hards,elitist players etc'' who tries to get content down and also being effcetive about it.

[Hausti]

If someone is holding everyone else down, what about the rest of the group? Should they be held down and simply try till they get a kill, so just that 1 person can get it?

This is why we have the votekick system.

To the OP: No we dont need a ranking system. If you dont want to deal with bad players then just run with premades.
Also i think that maybe SE should change the name of the expert roulette. They might be the latest dungeons but they're not that difficult that only "experts" can run those. Sure on lv70 everyone should know theire class by now. But we're talking about the DF where you meet all kind of different people

[akaneakki]

This is why we have the votekick system.

To the OP: No we dont need a ranking system. If you dont want to deal with bad players then just run with premades.
Also i think that SE should rchange the name of the expert roulette. They might be the latest dungeons but they're not that difficult that only "experts" should run those

You must be high. I'm the OP and you clearly didn't read what I said on the post above yours.

[Hausti]

You must be high. I'm the OP.

Im sorry. Typing via phone so i only recognized you as the OP after that.

[Sebazy]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

Yep, that's something we don't want nor need in this community.

Any sort of system in place like this would absolutely *have* to be completely hidden and apply to Expert only.

Even as a non Mentor, I still feel that there is a mild obligation on high end players to help bring the fresh blood up through the ranks, be it via farming 'trivial' content for tokens or relics or helping carry the burden in trials and 24man stuff. Expert roulette is kind of unique in that you can't really fail it, the difference between a top tier and bottom rung group is about 10 minutes of your time and little else.

If poor players only ever got matched with poor players for storyline stuff and then none of them were able to clear anything, then they'd quit the game and SE would lose sub money.

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

[akaneakki]

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

TBH only expert roulette would be good too!

[Tempest222]

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

Well, I haven't gotten over ilevel 300 and completed Drowned City of Skalla yet, so am not even sure what's included in expert roulette. I haven't unlocked anything since a few level 50 things that weren't part of the msq, so I'm going to assume expert roulette is mostly or at least partly picking from things people had to do to get thtrough the main story quest. Imo, that's casual stuff, so my opinion is the same.

At the end of the day not so good players will always be there. Some people are more bothered by them than others. I still think if someone is that bothered then they can do pf or play with friends.