Question to players

[SenorPatty]

Depends on what content you're applying this system. I mean, to me, it just feels like a really overblown parser and I don't have problems with those either when they're applied in the appropriate content. For me, that content would be expert, savage raids and ex trials.

Now, to implement this system would also mean to change the way the game works as well. After all, its far easier to complete expert content when an entire group is decked out in 340's than one with entry lvl gear. So that system's algorithm would have to match the party's overall ilvl to provide fair grading. After all, it would not make sense for example, to give a SAM in i300 a lower score because he could not match up a RDM in i340, even though the latter's pumping out half of his skillset and dps and still providing "good" results.

Then there's 24man raids. I will not go over that cuz people have already gone over why this can't work.

So all in all, while the idea sounds...ok on paper, it just sounds like an extreme solution to what could be simplified if a parser existed for the high end duties.

Besides, if one person in the party is holding the entire group back, chances are its a PF pug group and the greater solution is to kick the person out.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I can see how an idea like this sounds good on paper but it would never work as intended in practice because there are too many variables for it to calculate properly. Because of this its more likely to cause more problems than solve anything.

[Myrhn]

This doesnt make any sense.

[AxlStream]

I'd be down for it but maybe that's because I'd probably be in higher-mid ~ high end of the spectrum.

[Kazrah]

If this game did implement a ranking system for PvE content, I would have no qualms openly boycotting the game.

I also truly believe that anyone who actually does want such a system should know that they're playing the wrong game and will always be worse not just as players, but as people, compared to any newer player who may still have room to improve.

[AxlStream]

If this game did implement a ranking system for PvE content, I would have no qualms openly boycotting the game.

I also truly believe that anyone who actually does want such a system should know that they're playing the wrong game and will always be worse not just as players, but as people, compared to any newer player who may still have room to improve.

Now that is kinda of uncalled for mate. How does wanting my time to be used efficiently making me a worse player than someone wasting other's time with sub par performance?

[Darrcyphfeid]

Now that is kinda of uncalled for mate. How does wanting my time to be used efficiently making me a worse player than someone wasting other's time with sub par performance?

Wanting a system like this would be a step beyond wanting to efficiently use your own time (you can already do this via PF and friends), and steps firmly into the realm of actively wishing harm to an entire segment of the community's time and enjoyment.

You can see how that may be viewed as... problematic, to some people.


Edit: The discussion of what's included in EX Roulette is another thing that must be kept in mind. There will probably always be 2 MSQ dungeons contained within it (Ala Mhigo and Skalla now, Skalla and 4.2's MSQ dungeon come Feb), and newbies would likely by default fall into the bronze category.

[AxlStream]

Wanting a system like this would be a step beyond wanting to efficiently use your own time (you can already do this via PF and friends), and steps firmly into the realm of actively wishing harm to an entire segment of the community's time and enjoyment.

You can see how that may be viewed as... problematic, to some people.

I already don't run Expert anymore or use PF to farm EX primals... I'm already out enough of the system as is...

[Sebazy]

Wanting a system like this would be a step beyond wanting to efficiently use your own time (you can already do this via PF and friends), and steps firmly into the realm of actively wishing harm to an entire segment of the community's time and enjoyment.

You can see how that may be viewed as... problematic, to some people.

I really can't stress the following enough.

The basis of my idea isn't to separate 'goods' and 'bads', rather the hope was to try and channel like minded people into groups as to try and cut down on the occurrences where you've got 3 people champing at the bit with a 4th who has no hope of ever keeping up. That's every bit as bad as the worst case scenario's you're claiming, and it happens right now as things are. Don't pretend that the current system is all roses because it isn't.

Is this a better idea? The majority says no on this day and I can accept that when it's got foundation and thought behind it. But please don't jump to the conclusion that I'm trying to wish doom upon 'ye casuals' because that certainly isn't the case.

[Krotoan]

Not really. I really can't stress this enough.

The basis of my idea isn't to separate 'goods' and 'bads', rather the hope was to try and channel like minded people into groups as to try and cut down on the occurrences where you've got 3 people champing at the bit with a 4th who has no hope of ever keeping up.

Is it a good idea? The majority says no on this day.

Your intent is good. Your implementation would cause suffering and segregation.