Question to players

[Darrcyphfeid]

Now that is kinda of uncalled for mate. How does wanting my time to be used efficiently making me a worse player than someone wasting other's time with sub par performance?

Wanting a system like this would be a step beyond wanting to efficiently use your own time (you can already do this via PF and friends), and steps firmly into the realm of actively wishing harm to an entire segment of the community's time and enjoyment.

You can see how that may be viewed as... problematic, to some people.


Edit: The discussion of what's included in EX Roulette is another thing that must be kept in mind. There will probably always be 2 MSQ dungeons contained within it (Ala Mhigo and Skalla now, Skalla and 4.2's MSQ dungeon come Feb), and newbies would likely by default fall into the bronze category.

[AxlStream]

Wanting a system like this would be a step beyond wanting to efficiently use your own time (you can already do this via PF and friends), and steps firmly into the realm of actively wishing harm to an entire segment of the community's time and enjoyment.

You can see how that may be viewed as... problematic, to some people.

I already don't run Expert anymore or use PF to farm EX primals... I'm already out enough of the system as is...

[Sebazy]

Wanting a system like this would be a step beyond wanting to efficiently use your own time (you can already do this via PF and friends), and steps firmly into the realm of actively wishing harm to an entire segment of the community's time and enjoyment.

You can see how that may be viewed as... problematic, to some people.

I really can't stress the following enough.

The basis of my idea isn't to separate 'goods' and 'bads', rather the hope was to try and channel like minded people into groups as to try and cut down on the occurrences where you've got 3 people champing at the bit with a 4th who has no hope of ever keeping up. That's every bit as bad as the worst case scenario's you're claiming, and it happens right now as things are. Don't pretend that the current system is all roses because it isn't.

Is this a better idea? The majority says no on this day and I can accept that when it's got foundation and thought behind it. But please don't jump to the conclusion that I'm trying to wish doom upon 'ye casuals' because that certainly isn't the case.

[akaneakki]

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I think doing it is a poor idea for reasons I've already outlined, but there's nothing here to suggest it's some kind of nefarious plot. We can keep it civil.

This is easily why you and few others actually are so highly respected by me. First of all you have very good and valid arguements againt's the system. Second, I'm completely fine with people being again'ts it, hence why I asked. I'm not here to bash people and let them say hey YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME!! Third, you are absoluttely right, this system is something more about playing with like minded people more often too, not to prevent people doing content. Hey some peopel do say they want to have a relax atmosphere in the game and do things slower, so why not pair them up together? But yeah I agree with you.

[Krotoan]

Not really. I really can't stress this enough.

The basis of my idea isn't to separate 'goods' and 'bads', rather the hope was to try and channel like minded people into groups as to try and cut down on the occurrences where you've got 3 people champing at the bit with a 4th who has no hope of ever keeping up.

Is it a good idea? The majority says no on this day.

Your intent is good. Your implementation would cause suffering and segregation.

[Darrcyphfeid]

I already don't run Expert anymore or use PF to farm EX primals... I'm already out enough of the system as is...

I probably wouldn't have put it the way Kazrah did myself, but I don't entirely disagree with them either. Regardless, just offering a view as to specifically why the context of the OP could be immediately off-putting to someone.

Is this a better idea? The majority says no on this day and I can accept that when it's got foundation and thought behind it. But please don't jump to the conclusion that I'm trying to wish doom upon 'ye casuals' because that certainly isn't the case.

I would hazard a guess that Kazrah was replying more to the OP than your additional restrictions, though I'm not them and can't say with any certainty.

In either case, my opinion is simply what's contained within those first two posts - nothing more, nothing less. I view this as an exercise in game theory more than a forum for trying to change opinions, and again I would not have phrased it as Kazrah did.

As for the system we have being perfect? Not really. But it's as fair of one as you're probably going to get, because it doesn't have pitfalls like the aforementioned tank disparity and won't result in further inflated queue times by keeping players contained to their rank. Once you've allowed bronze and silver to play together, or silver and gold, you've effectively slid back to this current system as well.

[Infindox]

Suggestion: make a completely separate roulette for it or have a toggable option for the roulettes to do it. You can use it if you want to, turn it off if you don't.

That would bring up the debate that then everyone would use it and not help again but I'm sure there's plenty of people (like myself) that would just keep it off.

[Cakekizyy]

You say you don't wanna separate good from bad, but filtering for likeminded can only have that result in my view.

[Reinha]

The basis of my idea isn't to separate 'goods' and 'bads', rather the hope was to try and channel like minded people into groups as to try and cut down on the occurrences where you've got 3 people champing at the bit with a 4th who has no hope of ever keeping up. That's every bit as bad as the worst case scenario's you're claiming, and it happens right now as things are. Don't pretend that the current system is all roses because it isn't.

Your propose this system under the assumption that people would like to be divided into groups and play only with similar players. But that isn't what everyone wants. I for one don't want to be separated from players more or less skilled than me, even if there was some accurate way to judge skill (there isn't). It makes the roulette more exciting and sometimes reminds me what it's like to be new and struggle. The option for like-minded company exists in the form of premade parties.

Edit. Looks like I mixed up you and the thread creator, apologies.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Suggestion: make a completely separate roulette for it or have a toggable option for the roulettes to do it. You can use it if you want to, turn it off if you don't.

That would bring up the debate that then everyone would use it and not help again but I'm sure there's plenty of people (like myself) that would just keep it off.

So long as the toggle was off by default, turning the toggle on would absolutely result in longer queue times. People get vocal about it online and in their FCs and LSs, but I'm quite certain the overwhelming majority of the playerbase doesn't care about 3~5 minutes being shaved off a clear time or otherwise carrying a lackluster player.

Pretty sure the additional length of the queue would outweigh leaving the option off as well, even for people that get really vocal about their runs.