Question to players

[Ayer2015]

Could just make your own party and queue with like minded people.
I find people on these forums don't comprehend the concept of random party matching. Its fully within everyone's' control to create groups for roulette that will run content the way they want to do so.

[Infindox]

See, I actually WANT to play with people who aren't as good. I want to be able to teach someone how to do a class or a fight. I want someone to leave the dungeon learning something, even if we wiped.
I know for a fact I'm not good at every class (especially just now me try to get exp running Dun Scaith on AST, I apologise to whoever was there). And when someone teaches me, I take that lesson and try to apply it later. I also want to teach others on the classes I DO know. Doing a system like this would just end up going to a dungeon with the same kind of setup who won't say a word.

[TroySoFab]

Let me comment before reading any of what OP said. NO!!!!! Also something something overwatch.

[akaneakki]

See, I actually WANT to play with people who aren't as good.

If everyone was willing to learn as much as you do, this idea would never been in my mind honestly, but lets be honest here, rarely anyone wants to get better because they tell you to basically fuck off. Happens --most-- of the time when I tell them what they could improve. Not saying everyone but most.

Let me comment before reading any of what OP said. NO!!!!! Also something something overwatch.

Can I ask you why? Even if this was only going to apply for lets say expert roulettes?

[TroySoFab]

Oops I forgot sarcasm doesn't exist on the internet. I think your idea is something worth discussing, but it seems like most people against it haven't actually read your post.

[Kaurhz]

Oops I forgot sarcasm doesn't exist on the internet. I think your idea is something worth discussing, but it seems like most people against it haven't actually read your post.

If I may ask what part of this idea is worth a discussion? It's an inherently flawed system.

[Darrcyphfeid]

The ranking would be completely hidden from players, you wouldn't be able to see your own rank, let alone anyone elses.

This straight-up makes it worse. It removes any and all possible defenses and just says: "You're not good, you don't even know you're not good, now go away."

Can't very well improve if you don't have feedback! I think even Yoshi would be okay with adding parsers to the game before this.

It would apply to Expert Roulette only, storyline stuff, levelling, trials and 24 mans would be completely unaffected by it.

Still against it. I always do Expert on DRG (solo queue) post-SB, and some of the comments I receive at the end fill me with life. I distinctly remember a period of 3 days, back-to-back, where the tank was doing standard mass pulls while I was paired with either a BRD or MCH, and each time they didn't sing me TP songs nor do any AoEs themselves. I was kinda miffed about it at the time, but within 5 minutes of finishing the dungeon I was over it.

I'll take the variety stance here: I wouldn't necessarily want to be 50% or more of the entire party's DPS over the entire run, but the fact that that's a thing that can happen both amuses me and keeps dungeons from being the exact same thing time after time.

The odds of it actually causing you to fail your duty are next to non existent, how frequently do you fail an expert roulette?

More than zero, which is too many. Mostly less patient people being a bit douche-y and rage quitting that some member of the party or another sucks, or they got the dungeon they didn't want, and that leading to a disband or whatever.

You throw 4 "bronze-tier" people wearing bare minimum ilvl into an EX dungeon and I guarantee you the number of failures would skyrocket, though. Especially over time, since ostensibly "almost good" people would be graduating more and more, leaving the pool of available players worse off down in Bronzeville.

It would only be a system of prioritisation, it's not going to segregate casuals from hardcores, in short, if there's 4 dps in the queue, it'll pair the highest ranked pair and the lowest ranked pairs together along with any corresponding healers that might be waiting. If there's only 2 DPS in the queue, they will get put together irrespective of their rank. Tanks would still end up first come first served unless a number of them queue at the same time.

Err... sounds like you just really have it out for tanks with this one. Guaranteed 2 "bad" DPS and a "bad" healer somewhere around 33% of the time, that'll get more people to queue as tank! lol

I'm sorry but no, that's just garbage at least as far as Expert roulette is concerned. Few people take notice of even an especially high standard of play in Expert, especially those that are underperforming.

More anecdotes from Mr. DRG here: I did a double-DRG Ala Mhigo a couple months back. Other DRG is, y'know, not amazing. No AoEs, failing to keep BotD up, the usual stuff. Tank certainly didn't notice that only one of us were doing their job properly and kept doing large pulls (or less cynically, because I also do this: continue to pull big to give the straggler(s) opportunities to improve), and halfway through the dungeon? The other DRG started mimicking me. Standing near me and following my positioning while tossing out Sonic Thrusts and Doomspikes, and they kept AoEing mob packs from there on out.

I'd like to think they learned something. Which can be depressing, because it means they got that far into the game without being paired with another AoEing DRG (they are quite rare, though...), but it can also be encouraging in that, well, maybe these asleep-at-the-wheel types are willing to improve. Obligatory cynical stance of they were watching Netflix and not bothering the first half, but maybe we can even spin that into a positive with "they noticed they were paired with a good DRG and felt guilty." I'unno. However, I do know that regardless of which option we go with this system would make it even more rare and that's probably not a good thing.

[Krotoan]

Putting all the bad players together is a punishment. You will be punishing people who don't know any better and according to your system will be informed by suddenly being put in the poop-pile to learn from other poop-denizens.

How hard will it be to climb out? do you really think SE will want to lose all the free-riders ? they may suck but they are a constant inflow of money into SE's coffers and are just as valid a player as you are. They WILL leave too if all of a sudden they have multiple wipes and people leaving because "you guys suck". Not to mention the horrendous DPS queue times as you have to have people in YOUR tier available instead of just anyone.

I'm thinking nah on this one. I can deal with one or two bad runs a month, which is what I get. Games fine.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

Putting all the bad players together is a punishment. You will be punishing people who don't know any better and according to your system will be informed by suddenly being put in the poop-pile to learn from other poop-denizens.

This. Silver and Gold players can go to hell. Even if bronze improve to higher rank (=learned), how long does it take when we'll see third party site calculating (read that: hogging) characters from lodestone or input from ACTs and start grouping by how fast they learn? This is the mob mentality, it doesn't matter what sort of rankings you have.

[KaivaC]

This. Silver and Gold players can go to hell. Even if bronze improve to higher rank (=learned), how long does it take when we'll see third party site calculating (read that: hogging) characters from lodestone or input from ACTs and start grouping by how fast they learn? This is the mob mentality, it doesn't matter what sort of rankings you have.

To add to this, let's just say we did have a system like that. Silver and Gold players get into a rhythm in Expert Roulettes, expect certain things to happen on their runs. Then they go out into doing the normal roulettes, where a majority of the Tales from the Duty Finder come from...it generally would not end well. In a way, we have this already between hardcore/midcore/casual, but it might just become a bit more pronounced with the system. We already have a contentious issue with parsing - the system would be subject to similar heated discussions.