Minimum ilvl of dungeons

[Kuroka]

Today on mainstory roulett i saw an DK with some 260 parts, few 270 parts, but Yanxia chest and 190 gordian ring... he is lv 68 and its his last job not on 70... kinda... screw you for being lazy >_>

[Mavrias]

if you start kicking people because of bad gear.....your going to get slapped in the face by a GM.

Just because YOU don't like it..doesn't mean that you cant complete the dungeon.
You need to help the guy/gal out....and work your way through it. The only time its appropriate to kick is if the player is causing harm to the party - as in frequent wipes, being idle, or sabotage.

Having sucky gear or poor gear and yet able to "slowly" get through - doesn't count.

didn't say it was nice....only said - careful - as your on thin ice....idea is to help...not make the problem worse.

If i start kicking people for bad gear I guarantee you a GM won't say a word to me. Especially if the person I kicked didn't care about me mentioning it to them/ warning them before I kicked em (hint: reread the OP fully this time.)

[Mavrias]

Kick someone because they don't have the best gear? Is this a joke? He was probably there for the poetic, so he can get better gear. Not everyone has lots of gil to buy gear from the market board or vendors.

"Best Gear" they were at least 75 ilevels below the dungeon and not a new player who didn't know better. Come on now.

Edit: also

>grinding for poetics in a leveling dungeon on a job not at 70

leveling dungeons dont give you poetics at all. they give stormblood tomes. you cannot get any tomes from a leveling dungeon if the class youre running it on isnt at 70.

[NephthysVasudan]

If i start kicking people for bad gear I guarantee you a GM won't say a word to me. Especially if the person I kicked didn't care about me mentioning it to them/ warning them before I kicked em (hint: reread the OP fully this time.)

How about you read my post before you start making judgement calls.

[Mavrias]

How about you read my post before you start making judgement calls.

Mm. How about no. You wanted to make judgement calls about me after not understanding what OP was talking about, own up to it.

[Kaurhz]

Apparently vote kicking solves all issues.

On a serious note, its probably be a good idea to constructively call out under-geared players and advise them to gear up before queuing for a dungeon with as up-to-date gear as they can possibly afford/attain. Including players with near broken gear. A lot of people fail to observe their gear durability before entering an instance.

An iLv requirement definitely would be nice in any circumstance, but giving that just enables people to manipulate their roulette choices by queuing up with the majority of their gear unequipped. Not the brightest of ideas, especially for a levelling roulette dungeon. Let's assume all dungeons in HW have a minimum iLv requirement of 115 and above, if I queue up for levelling roulette with, say, iLv 70, I skip all of the HW dungeons from the pool of possible choices in said roulette.

Vote kicking will only serve the purpose of pushing the problem on someone else at a later time, so for anyone else reading, how about being constructive and polite. Ask them if they have their glamour, or incorrect gear equipped. If they have the best gear equipped, then suggest the next time they queue up for something that they take the effort in either getting better gear from poetics, vendoring the gear, or simply doing a few of the Level 50 dungeons on their main class. Sure this relies on the assumption they will take the constructive feedback into account next time they queue up. There's no use in reporting a player, or a 1-off experience for something that can easily be attributed as a mistake, or lack of foresight on behalf of the player (e.g. queuing up to levelling roulette as a fresh Level 51, expecting a dungeon such as Halatali, or Toto-Rak to pop)

[DarkBlizzard]

I didn't ignore the fact that he had other jobs with ilvl330, i think you must read what i said again.
And how would he know the item lvl of the other alts? Stalking? For god sake.
Just chill and have fun with the game....

[Mavrias]

I didn't ignore the fact that he had other jobs with ilvl330, i think you must read what i said again.
And how would he know the item lvl of the other alts? Stalking? For god sake.
Just chill and have fun with the game....

>new player
>at least 3 level 70 jobs

you cant be both. pick one.

[Squintina]

I don't mind the idea of ivl restrictions for all dungeons but I think you'd end up surprised that he probably still would have gotten into that dungeon.
Because the lvl 51 dungeon is doable with people who only have i90 gear (yeah the weapon sucked but the accessory would have probably balanced it out for overall ilvl). Pretty sure the devs never expect any dungeon to have people geared with the best gear available for them , like poetics gear for 50's.

Also the fact that he had other jobs at 330 shouldn't matter because if they did do an ivl restriction, it will affect such players and new players equally and new players may not have a lot of poetics. They're not going to do "If you're new, it's i80, if you have other high level jobs it's i130" restrictions, they're just not.

I support this but I'd imagine that Dusk Vigil's min ilvl if it was implemented would probably be somewhere in 80-89 (basically only expecting players to have the free gear from the job quests, a non-poetics weapon, and the achievement accessory) and thus wouldn't have helped your case.

After all, snowcloak has a min ilvl of 80 and it's a level 50 dungeon, no way they'd jump it to 100+ on the very next non-Hard dungeon.

[Legion88]

I don't mind the idea of ivl restrictions for all dungeons but I think you'd end up surprised that he probably still would have gotten into that dungeon.
Because the lvl 51 dungeon is doable with people who only have i90 gear (yeah the weapon sucked but the accessory would have probably balanced it out for overall ilvl). Pretty sure the devs never expect any dungeon to have people geared with the best gear available for them , like poetics gear for 50's.

Also the fact that he had other jobs at 330 shouldn't matter because if they did do an ivl restriction, it will affect such players and new players equally and new players may not have a lot of poetics. They're not going to do "If you're new, it's i80, if you have other high level jobs it's i130" restrictions, they're just not.

I support this but I'd imagine that Dusk Vigil's min ilvl if it was implemented would probably be somewhere in 80-89 (basically only expecting players to have the free gear from the job quests, a non-poetics weapon, and the achievement accessory) and thus wouldn't have helped your case.

After all, snowcloak has a min ilvl of 80 and it's a level 50 dungeon, no way they'd jump it to 100+ on the very next non-Hard dungeon.

I'm sure the devs never expect the duties to be done at max ilvl but at the average min ilvl and for that they expect that every piece of gear is at least on that ilvl, also if i give out free gear like candy i can expect that people will use it if it is an upgrade.
And for additional Jobs i would expect the players to have enough common sense to get the gear together, while i had them introduced to various sources.

So it would be very reasonable to set the min ilvl for Dusk Vigil to ilvl 95 to 110 (110 would be 10 ilvl less then the dropping gear like in the lvl 50 dungeons and 105 would be 15 ilvl less then the dropping gear like the early lvl 60 dungeons).
Via lvl 50 MSQ you will get a whole set + a second one of ilvl 100 gear, you get more then enough poetics to get a 120 weapon and additional gear and the MSQ in Ishgard provides a set of ilvl 115 left side gear in HQ, so it wouldn't realy hinder new players.

Also Snowcloak may be ilvl 80 but Keeper of the Lake is ilvl 90 and also MSQ dungeon, so a bit more ilvl for the next harder dungeon in line wouldn't be unreasonable especially with the whole bunch of free gear from the previouse MSQ.

Also it is time they fix the min ilvl to absolut min ilvl instead of average min ilvl, so you can't outbalance your trash weapon and left side with some cheap accessoires for more or less no real gain in comparsion with an upgraded left side to circumvent the min ilvl as fast as possible.