Eight Fixes to Make These Changes Good.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

A list of things to fix for these Class Overhauls:

Lancer is supposed to be a Dragoon, not a Dark Knight.

Conjurers do not have enough offensive abilities for Solo.

Reactionary Skill(Phalanx, Haymaker, Fracture and Feint) should not be class specific.

Mages do not have enough spells. Mages should always have more skills than Melees

There is a severe lack of Enfeebling Magic.

Classes are too closely aligned with Jobs. There should be a noticeable difference between the two.

Puglist Elemental Skills will not be effective in Combat against the Majority of Creatures in Game. (Low Damage + Elemental Resistance = Lower Damage)

Archer's Bow should not be an Auto Attack.

Where do you get lancer being a DRK? Because of like one ability? Get over it.

Armoury system DUH. CNJ has plenty enough spells in 1.20 and what they are missing they will get from THM.
I can see your point here for a change.

Try it before you knock it.

Agreed but enfeebs will be fixed in due time, they have to have some spells to have for a new mage class when they put one out.

A job is a specialization of 2 or maybe more later set classes. There will be quit a big difference from the abilities I have read. Yet another point I do not understand in your post.

I am sure it will be adjusted, it sounds neat at least.

Archers bow should have been a ranged auto attack from day one. That was my number one gripe about Archer since alpha build. For you to say otherwise is mind blowing. (Now we will actually be able to dodge and shoot instead of being stuck in an animation lock)

My suggestion to you instead of suggesting make the game more like FFXI, just go play FFXI. We got a new game here that is trying to be different and interesting in its own way.

[Vanguard319]

Archers bow should have been a ranged auto attack from day one. That was my number one gripe about Archer since alpha build. For you to say otherwise is mind blowing. (Now we will actually be able to dodge and shoot instead of being stuck in an animation lock)

See my post above. You're assuming that AA on archer will allow free movment, in all likelyhood it won't, again for the
reason I mentioned above, you can try to counter-argue me all you want, but I have actually have experience firing both bows and rifles IRL.

[Quatre]

See my post above. You're assuming that AA on archer will allow free movment, in all likelyhood it won't, again for the
reason I mentioned above, you can try to counter-argue me all you want, but I have actually have experience firing both bows and rifles IRL.

Shooting bows IRL=/= Shooting bows In-game.

[Vanguard319]

Shooting bows IRL=/= Shooting bows In-game.

doesn't matter, you can only stretch the threshold of what is believable so far. You can't nock, draw, hold, and shoot a bow from an unstable position (i.e. while running). an exception is mounted archery, but even then, you require a special saddle, plus several years of additional training to become proficient.

[MartaDemireux]

doesn't matter, you can only stretch the threshold of what is believable so far. You can't nock, draw, hold, and shoot a bow from an unstable position (i.e. while running). an exception is mounted archery, but even then, you require a special saddle, plus several years of additional training to become proficient.

Because casting magic, midgets wielding axes as large as them, cat-human hybrids and giant mounted turkeys haven't done that already! I welcome the auto-attack. Besides, when using a lightweight bow you can move slowly or even normally while knocking arrows, pausing to shoot. Wouldn't even have to pause in this game as they don't include an actual aiming element so that's fine. Every FPS like halo and all the war games you run while shooting any type of weapon, this isn't a big deal.

[Vanguard319]

Because casting magic, midgets wielding axes as large as them, cat-human hybrids and giant mounted turkeys haven't done that already! I welcome the auto-attack. Besides, when using a lightweight bow you can move slowly or even normally while knocking arrows, pausing to shoot. Wouldn't even have to pause in this game as they don't include an actual aiming element so that's fine. Every FPS like halo and all the war games you run while shooting any type of weapon, this isn't a big deal.

the lightest modern bows for hunting deer have drawstrengths of more than FIFTY POUNDS! And medieval warbows had even higher drawstrengths (upwards of 150+ lbs). That is not something you can brush off so easily in the context of fantasy. (certain things still must obey the laws of physics) By comparison, guns are simpler to aim and fire, as you don't have to hold a ready shot while aiming. (The reason guns replaced bows on the battlefield is because while guns are more mechanically complex, they are significantly easier to use.) So yeah, it is a big deal.

[Alerith]

the lightest modern bows for hunting deer have drawstrengths of more than FIFTY POUNDS! And medieval warbows had even higher drawstrengths (upwards of 150+ lbs). That is not something you can brush off so easily in the context of fantasy. (certain things still must obey the laws of physics) By comparison, guns are simpler to aim and fire, as you don't have to hold a ready shot while aiming. (The reason guns replaced bows on the battlefield is because while guns are more mechanically complex, they are significantly easier to use.) So yeah, it is a big deal.

fan·ta·sy/ˈfantəsē/
Noun:
The faculty or activity of imagining things that are impossible or improbable.


Also, have you been to the Riverne Site in XI? (There are numerous other examples in other FF games) The laws of physics don't exactly apply as they should.

[grandm]

the lightest modern bows for hunting deer have drawstrengths of more than FIFTY POUNDS! And medieval warbows had even higher drawstrengths (upwards of 150+ lbs). That is not something you can brush off so easily in the context of fantasy. (certain things still must obey the laws of physics) By comparison, guns are simpler to aim and fire, as you don't have to hold a ready shot while aiming. (The reason guns replaced bows on the battlefield is because while guns are more mechanically complex, they are significantly easier to use.) So yeah, it is a big deal.

just wondering, what laws of physics are they going to use for a huge great big chunk of rock that will destroy the world as we know it. and after the event leave world in tact but completely redesigned. yet not killed off one of us?


then again chocobos moogles and beastmen are all that realistic

[MartaDemireux]

the lightest modern bows for hunting deer have drawstrengths of more than FIFTY POUNDS! And medieval warbows had even higher drawstrengths (upwards of 150+ lbs). That is not something you can brush off so easily in the context of fantasy. (certain things still must obey the laws of physics) By comparison, guns are simpler to aim and fire, as you don't have to hold a ready shot while aiming. (The reason guns replaced bows on the battlefield is because while guns are more mechanically complex, they are significantly easier to use.) So yeah, it is a big deal.

Well, just because you can't move while holding a 50lb draw doesn't mean your character can't. If they're adventuring all around and facing giant beasts, I'd hope they could move while holding a 50lb draw. Heck, if they're fighting and beating Ifrit I'd hope any of them, aside from a mage, would be able to hold a 100lb draw while moving. This also isn't a medieval setting so mentioning 150lb draws has no bearing. The game has gunblades, massive airships and aether that can teleport you anywhere in the world in the time it takes for the loading screen to pass by. It's the same argument as the characters running the entire time with no fatigue - it's not physically possible but I don't see many people volunteering to walk instead of run to a camp.

On another note, the maximum distance doesn't even require much in the name of accuracy as the monsters are generally large and only about 20 feet away. Most likely less. Maybe we should talk about the physics of their AoE arrow rain effect, what are the actual odds of any of those arrows actually landing a hit on any one monster? Forget your Earth-based physics in a make-believe world. Heck forget your Earth-based physics in any world that isn't Earth.

[Alerith]

doesn't matter, you can only stretch the threshold of what is believable so far. You can't nock, draw, hold, and shoot a bow from an unstable position (i.e. while running). an exception is mounted archery, but even then, you require a special saddle, plus several years of additional training to become proficient.

Legolas did it in Lord of the Rings while surfing on a shield and climbing a moving Oliphaunt.

-OP, did you really need to make another thread expressing your PERSONAL OPINIONS and trying to present them as fact?