Eight Fixes to Make These Changes Good.

[Kiote]

A list of things to fix for these Class Overhauls:

Lancer is supposed to be a Dragoon, not a Dark Knight.

Conjurers do not have enough offensive abilities for Solo.

Reactionary Skill(Phalanx, Haymaker, Fracture and Feint) should not be class specific.

Mages do not have enough spells. Mages should always have more skills than Melees

There is a severe lack of Enfeebling Magic.

Classes are too closely aligned with Jobs. There should be a noticeable difference between the two.

Puglist Elemental Skills will not be effective in Combat against the Majority of Creatures in Game. (Low Damage + Elemental Resistance = Lower Damage)

Archer's Bow should not be an Auto Attack.

[Shaedhen]

I agree with you except for the pugilist for which i'm waiting to see how it's gonna work. As of now it's seems quite nice to me but maybe it will be like you said.

[Dreadnought]

A list of things to fix for these Class Overhauls:

Lancer is supposed to be a Dragoon, not a Dark Knight.

Conjurers do not have enough offensive abilities for Solo.

Reactionary Skill(Phalanx, Haymaker, Fracture and Feint) should not be class specific.

Mages do not have enough spells. Mages should always have more skills than Melees

There is a severe lack of Enfeebling Magic.

Classes are too closely aligned with Jobs. There should be a noticeable difference between the two.

Puglist Elemental Skills will not be effective in Combat against the Majority of Creatures in Game. (Low Damage + Elemental Resistance = Lower Damage)

Archer's Bow should not be an Auto Attack.

lol BLM has over all less solo capabilites than WHM. cross classing cure spells and buffs will most likely be nerfed when done so.
WHM has cures, buffs, nukes and an utlimate attack
BLM literally only has a few nukes...... thats it.

[PrettyPrincess]

You're fighting a lost crusade here.

[Kiote]

I agree with you except for the pugilist for which i'm waiting to see how it's gonna work. As of now it's seems quite nice to me but maybe it will be like you said.

I think it was a cool concept, but if there is one thing SE has never done right, it's the blending of Physical and Elemental Damage. In this particular case, my fear is that not being able to choose from every element will result in these two skills being significantly diminished on 80% of the enemies. I wish they had gone with a Element based on (insert factor here) kind of effect.

[Rentahamster]

Lancer is supposed to be a Dragoon, not a Dark Knight.

There isn't any definitive definition of what a "dragoon" is "supposed" to be. A "dragoon" is going to be whatever the devs want it to be. The problem is that this is not a good change comes from your subjective perspective, not from an objective one.

Conjurers do not have enough offensive abilities for Solo.

At the early levels, perhaps. There's not enough info to make a definitive statement about this yet.

Reactionary Skill(Phalanx, Haymaker, Fracture and Feint) should not be class specific.

Why not? I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be. It gives each class something unique.

Mages do not have enough spells. Mages should always have more skills than Melees

Perhaps. Again, not enough info yet to know how this will play out.

There is a severe lack of Enfeebling Magic.

There are lots of additional effects to magic now when you do it in a combo.

Classes are too closely aligned with Jobs. There should be a noticeable difference between the two.

Classes are closely aligned with jobs because they're designed to be like those classes, only with more role-specific attributes. Why should there be a "noticeable difference"?

Puglist Elemental Skills will not be effective in Combat against the Majority of Creatures in Game. (Low Damage + Elemental Resistance = Lower Damage)

That's why you use the element that the target monster is weak to.

Archer's Bow should not be an Auto Attack.

Yes it should. Not having a ranged auto attack is one of archers most glaring weaknesses regarding mobility. Besides, you can just not target a mob if you don't want to attack it.

[Kiote]

lol BLM has over all less solo capabilites than WHM. cross classing cure spells and buffs will most likely be nerfed when done so.
WHM has cures, buffs, nukes and an utlimate attack
BLM literally only has a few nukes...... thats it.

White Mage and Black Mage are not Soloing Classes.

I'm talking about Conjurer and Thaumaturge. They are Different.

[PrettyPrincess]

There isn't any definitive definition of what a "dragoon" is "supposed" to be. A "dragoon" is going to be whatever the devs want it to be. The problem is that this is not a good change comes from your subjective perspective, not from an objective one.


At the early levels, perhaps. There's not enough info to make a definitive statement about this yet.


Why not? I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be. It gives each class something unique.


Perhaps. Again, not enough info yet to know how this will play out.


There are lots of additional effects to magic now when you do it in a combo.


Classes are closely aligned with jobs because they're designed to be like those classes, only with more role-specific attributes. Why should there be a "noticeable difference"?


That's why you use the element that the target monster is weak to.


Yes it should. Not having a ranged auto attack is one of archers most glaring weaknesses regarding mobility. Besides, you can just not target a mob if you don't want to attack it.

I agree .

[Estellios]

CNJ will be fine solo. Grab some spells from THM to help out with soloing, the basic nukes will most likely be low level. THM will be able to get Cure from CNJ so it's fine too.

Also, damage + Enfeebling is way more effective and useful than just enfeebling on its own because you're actually contributing even if the debuff fails.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that they are changing the elemental system from "Enemies resist absolutely everything except 1 element" to "Enemies are weak to 1 element, everything else is ok, 1 element is crappy against them". The spells are getting diverse enough to warrant it.

Changes are awesome, etc.

[Dreadnought]

White Mage and Black Mage are not Soloing Classes.

I'm talking about Conjurer and Thaumaturge. They are Different.

ok your right i miss read that part.

i think its wrong to assume that a CNJ should have so many offensive spells when its now being designed to mainly buff/heal but i guess thats personal taste.