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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jxnibbles View Post
    Yes a level 1 can pay to get stats, they can pay to get ahead in Msq, get ahead with a job boost, get a retainer ahead with a retainer job boost. That is P2W.. While the stats are not very meaningful they can be used to get a level 1 ahead.
    Not, it isn't. Once again, you have to establish a "win" state for P2W to apply. The closest equivalent to winning in FFXIV is completing Savage or Ultimate. Purchasing a jump potion is simply paying for a convenience. It accomplishes absolutely nothing if you jump DRG to 60, level to 70 and have no idea how to actually play the job. Getting ahead means very little in this game as progression is always restricted based on caps. A person who skips every single cut scene is technically going to complete the MSQ significantly faster than someone who watches them. Someone leveling a tank will speed through dungeon queues whereas a DPS will have wait times potentially exceeding twenty minutes.

    When you can purchase 2,000 tomestone of x or progression on the Stormblood relic is tied to lootboxes, then we can discuss P2W tactics.
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    Jxnibbles's Avatar
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    Aimori Duciel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
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    Who defines This magical "Win state" for P2W to apply. We have no real definition for this term. You think Raiding and Ultimate is the win state but our game is a MMO.

    Others like myself will disagree since you brought up the tomestones, and relics Is that not just progress? The items I listed also have to deal with progress?

    We have no real definition for most games since they are never ending like Farmville, Smite, League, Clan wars ect..

    Sorry for Edits.
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    Last edited by Jxnibbles; 12-26-2017 at 09:06 PM.

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    Clover_Blake's Avatar
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    Clover Blake
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jxnibbles View Post
    Who defines This magical "Win state" for P2W to apply. We have no real definition for this term. You think Raiding and Ultimate is the win state but our game is a MMO.
    I don't believe that reaching lv.60 is winning anything. I have leveled tons of alts myself; whether I leveled them on my own or using the skip potions, it doesn't affect you the slightest and it doesn't give me any sort of advantage towards you. You can't even tell what method I used to level them because you'll just see yet another random lv.60 running around. (For the record, I haven't used any potion myself, and I'm very fine with anyone using them to simply get the level faster. I don't see what difference it makes).
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    Rosentretter's Avatar
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    Theodore Rosentretter
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    So much money for glams and mounts that aren’t gonna be used for too long. Honestly the only thing I’m thinking to buy is the emote, guess it looks pretty cute in softlanders
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