Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[winsock]

Now, we would all agree that playing with stickman on the left would not be a fun experience because he is not playing tic tac toe, he is just scribbling on the paper, right?

Applying this to ffxiv, I'd attempt to kick the left stickman. Not because of his performance, but because of his attitude. He could have even played the game correctly but if he's going to be hurling insults at his party he may be forced to find a new one.

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

[HyoMinPark]

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

Are...you trying to insinuate that everyone who plays poorly must be doing so because they are young? Because I don’t think that’s the case for a lot of them. Are you going to try to say that we should treat them like they’re young because we don’t know for sure if they aren’t or not? Because I’m not going to start automatically thinking that poor players automatically equals “Oh, well they must be a child so, free pass”.

[Miste]

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

How is that relevant to FFXIV when a 3 year old simply cannot play it by themselves? It would be too far beyond a 3 year old's comprehension to likely even get by the character creator let alone get to level 50+ on any job.

You're seriously reaching....like you are just floating in a nebula 5million light years away from planet Earth at this point.

[ovIm]

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

Im sorry, but someone who is unable to grasp the concept and the rules of the game might not be well suited for that part of it. As much as I love to be inclusive, if a 3 year old cant play tic tac toe because he lacks the ability to grasp the concept of the rules, then he gets a piece of paper, a pen, and can scribble for himself, all day long, and enjoy himself like this. And if he wants to scribble with me then yes, I can do that, but if I want to play tic tac toe, I will have to look for someone else to play that with.

And, just a small anecdote here, I often find myself with sproutling tanks in duty finder who have no clue how to tank. At all. And guess what I do? I give them tips on aggro management, explain skills and the game engine, and help them understand the game better. And yes, I know that FFXIV is a tad bit more complex than tic tac toe.

[akaneakki]

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

Don't care if the kid is 3 or 12 or 10. What matter is the kid shouldn't even play a MMO at those ages or between. So the arguement is silly as it sounds like.

[Selova]

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

So, I was with you until this part. (bolded for emphasis) You are basically making the assumption that we should tolerate poor performance in a group setting because they COULD be a young kid/child.

You are using a extremely far-reaching hypothetical to defend poor play and unless the person in question comes out and states that they are indeed a young kid/child (which never happens, at most they would just admit that they are new and/or inexperienced) you are never going to know the reason why they are playing poorly, because most people that stick to DF won't even acknowledge that there is a problem, let alone to admitting they are playing poorly.

Hypotheticals are never a good reason to give people that play poorly a excuse for doing so.