Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Issac]

I'm going to have to throw this back at you, I'm afraid, and ask you to reconsider the future of FFXIV.

We all know that 2.0 is coming, and it's going to have the sorts of things you are complaining don't exist in this game. New players of the PS3 version are going to have the sort of easing into the game that we never experienced.

But we (us PC players) don't need this. We've played the game for a year already, there aren't really any new players coming, especially now that subscriptions are returning.

So why not have powerleveling? What is the point in holding us back from sampling the never-will-be-seen-again end-of-the-world content that will exclusively provided over the course of 2012? So we can have the nuances of a world that's going to be completely tossed when 2.0 hits drilled into us? That's ridiculous.

50 isn't going to the be the be-all-and-end-all of the game. There will be more levels. There will be more jobs and classes. There will be more content. There will be more gear. And the whole world will look nothing like it used to and work differently than it used to.

What we have in 1.0 now is a once-in-a-lifetime window of play that will never be repeated, and I think it's working exactly as intended. To me, there's no point in complaining about powerleveling in a doomed world. Let people experience what they can before it's gone forever.

2.0 is going to be phased in bit by bit over the next year. Towards the last quarter is when the changes will become more significant. But regardless of that:

Who's to say powerleveling is going to be temporary? And if this is a permanent change... Not to sound like a broken record, but what would the point of all the mid-rank stuff be when powerleveling by that time will be the accepted standard and mainstream? Once the level cap rises, the pioneering players will push back to cap. Don't you think that they would snowball the benefits to the rest of the population within the timeframe of a month? That's just silly.

That said, if powerleveling were to be removed tomorrow, all the new players would easily be able to experience all the exclusive content. It just takes a modicum of effort.

[AmyRae]

2.0 is going to be phased in bit by bit over the next year. Towards the last quarter is when the changes will become more significant.

No, it really isn't. The servers and client aren't going to be released until the PS3 release. We'll get a taste of some of the changes, but even then, we're experiencing them through 1.0 architecture that can't accommodate everything that needs to change.

I'm sure your efforts to complain about powerleveling are noted, and I will agree with you that it would be nice if leveling wasn't a snooze-fest in 2.0 (it has steep expectations, steep, so they'll be all over themselves not to screw it up). But I think your efforts are wasted by trying to stop powerleveling for 1.0. I think people should be able to fast track to the end if they so wish, because 1.0 is inconsequential and, as we all know, doomed. And if people really want the chance to try different battle classes and jobs before that time runs out to experience the end-of-the-world content that's only around for a limited time, just let them.

It will make almost no difference to how 2.0 turns out, I'm sure of it.

[DeadRiser]

Since it's been bumped up? I guess? Lol....

Atleast 3 of the 5 grind parties I've got into have had one person come into the group randomly and power level us. It's not really fun >.> As soon as the power leveling dude left, the party went to shit because the Gladiator did not understand how his abilities worked and the healer was nuking all mobs in sight without a regard to enmity.

I'm seriously over this PL bullsh*t now. No progression and to get to almost 40 in a day is stupid. Seriously

[Synfrag]

Seriously, Issac it may only be your server or dense servers. Trabia has absolutely 0 shouts for PLs, I rarely see anyone doing it out in the open world. Occasionally a LS member may offer to PL people but other than that it's not at all present at least on Trabia. I say this pointing to the fact that the problem is actually derivative of the server's culture and playerbase. SE has allowed for an environment that offers the ability but they have also made the content unfriendly to those who do not know how to play the game. This counteracts the effect of PLing, and soon people on the PL side of the fence will realize they lost the opportunity to learn their role and now are unwelcome in endgame content.

Remember the golden rule of XIV which is fun for casuals and hardcore alike and Yoshida has stated this countless times. 1-50 for a casual player even including some short PL sessions is still probably 1-2 Months if they are completing content as they go, spending time crafting, gathering and questing. Once you hit 50 on one class the rest more or less come for necessity of content requirements or out of sheer boredom. I personally have no great urge to spend more time than I need to getting to another 50 just to support one tiny piece of content. It's pretty absurd to assert that masochistic view on everyone else simply because it's your not style.

In my experience exp is perfect now. Party's with competent players can get a lot of XP through large chain pulls and managing themselves well. Lesser skilled players still get decent rates which are not over the top. Personally I have never been powerleveled but I see no problem with other people doing it if they are in a hurry to get 50. It will be their loss if they miss out on stuff. If they don't learn their role, the natural FF fanbase will reject them anyhow

True, you may enjoy a slow leveling experience but does that mean everyone else must? Maybe you only get a couple hours a day to play and you like to spend it doing numerous things. The fact that other people can focus on one thing and that they use the aid of a PL should have no impact on you unless they are clearing a known camp and directly causing you grief. It isn't a game wide trend and there will still be plenty of players like us who like to do things the legit way. I think people quickly get the idea with things like DH and Ifrit that they can't just walk in a spank them, skill is required and skill is gained through practice.

[DeadRiser]

All this business...

Well that's the thing, with how fast you can get exp in grind parties and rewards through some leves, there is no reason PL should be needed.

And I can already count on 2 hands how many times I've gone to a grind camp and BAM there is a PL party there. Just because it doesn't happen as much from your small server doesn't mean it doesn't happen on other servers.

[Synfrag]

Well that's the thing, with how fast you can get exp in grind parties and rewards through some leves, there is no reason PL should be needed.

And I can already count on 2 hands how many times I've gone to a grind camp and BAM there is a PL party there. Just because it doesn't happen as much from your small server doesn't mean it doesn't happen on other servers.

Seriously, Issac it may only be your server or dense servers..

I do believe I stated other servers.

[DeadRiser]

I do believe I stated other servers.

I give up. If that's all your gonna focus on... I give up seriously

[Synfrag]

What would you prefer? That I dwell upon the the fact there are people PLing and it's not cool because I don't like it? If the camp is taken by 1 person and a PL then by all means, take it from them. Be a big girl and fight for your rights lol.

I'm not advocating for powerleveling but I like my EXP parties the way they are and if that were to change I would be disappointed. I don't want to go back to the unholy grindfest of launch, crafting provides enough of that.

Is that better?

[darkstarpoet1]

so is nobody seriously concerned that people are charging for power leveling others, but yet using a power leveling service in game is against the tos? it's no different than botting your crafts, buying gil, botting gathering, paying an outside site to level your character, or buying someone elses account for actual real life cash.

[DeadRiser]

so is nobody seriously concerned that people are charging for power leveling others, but yet using a power leveling service in game is against the tos? it's no different than botting your crafts, buying gil, botting gathering, paying an outside site to level your character, or buying someone elses account for actual real life cash.

You should make a thread with this. Makes sense