Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[grandm]

3 more camps taken by PL to that other post I posted earlier. Yes this was all in one day. I even fought back against the PL's for the camp to kick them out.

It's sad when you have to resort to taking a PL camp to effectively level up in a group setting.

i am in no way a supporter of PL'ing, but i do like to keep a balanced view of things. this problem of power levelers camp stealing. sure its not just PL partys. i think i remember camp stealing going on forever now, long before power leveling was a problem

[Firon]

Ok. Any talk about parties/pl 40+. Please leave the room because that's 10 level differences and shouldn't count. ^^

Pre 40:
Solo: 20-30k/hour (easy)
Light: 50-60k/hour
Full: 80-120k/hour (depending on where you're doing it)

PL: 80-200k/hour (depending)

PL PRE 40 isn't as exaggerated as people claim. I'm sorry but it's the truth. I've tested this time and again. I had a full party last night, a light one on the weekend as well. Even tried solo.

Made another character even to see that with leves.

MRD getting abilities balanced is going to kill this PL. Why do you think SE doesn't care? Because it's being fixed another way.

I was not gonna post here again but thank you for the hard facts cause i never got 500k exp from a pl pt in like an hr <.<

[darkstarpoet1]

Ok. Any talk about parties/pl 40+. Please leave the room because that's 10 level differences and shouldn't count. ^^

Pre 40:
Solo: 20-30k/hour (easy)
Light: 50-60k/hour
Full: 80-120k/hour (depending on where you're doing it)

PL: 80-200k/hour (depending)

PL PRE 40 isn't as exaggerated as people claim. I'm sorry but it's the truth. I've tested this time and again. I had a full party last night, a light one on the weekend as well. Even tried solo.

Made another character even to see that with leves.

MRD getting abilities balanced is going to kill this PL. Why do you think SE doesn't care? Because it's being fixed another way.

if you can only get 80-200k in a pl party then that party is absolutely horrid. there is actually a video that was posted on here in which a guy getting power leveled got over 80k in 6 minutes..............

[Issac]

This is an appeal, SquareEnix. It's time to tell us what your plans are for the long term on this split issue. You have the people that hate it, the people that embrace it, and the people that don't care.

Looking at this logically, the big question here is, "How many potential subs would you lose either way once making a firm, long-term statement of your plans with this?" If you announce that PL is here to stay, permanently, for the foreseeable future, how many people would leave? If you reverted and removed the possibility of PL, how many people would leave?

I strongly believe the prior will result in more lost subscribers, but I am no expert in these things. I do know that if you tell us that, for sure, powerleveing will remain and all cap raises will be easily gained just as 40-50, I will be leaving.

So, SE. Tell us. I'm tired of the second-guessing.

[AmyRae]

Looking at this logically, the big question here is, "How many potential subs would you lose either way once making a firm, long-term statement of your plans with this?"

I'm going to go with the price of the subscription as being the main reason people are leaving. It's not because of powerleveling.

[Issac]

I'm going to go with the price of the subscription as being the main reason people are leaving. It's not because of powerleveling.

Regardless of that. This thread is about powerleveling and not about subscription fees. I'm sure many will leave because of the fee alone and that wouldn't be considered in any hypothetical measurement.

Also, fallacy. <3

[AmyRae]

Regardless of that. This thread is about powerleveling and not about subscription fees. I'm sure many will leave because of the fee alone and that wouldn't be considered in any hypothetical measurement.

Also, fallacy. <3

How is that fallacious?

You'll have people leaving because of subscription fees, and those who will stay knowing full well there's powerleveling. Now are those people who are staying going to spontaneously quit over powerleveling in the future? I doubt it very much.

[Issac]

How is that fallacious?

You'll have people leaving because of subscription fees, and those who will stay knowing full well there's powerleveling. Now are those people who are staying going to spontaneously quit over powerleveling in the future? I doubt it very much.

It's fallacious because you're bringing one unrelated subject as an invalidism to another. I already explained it in my first response.

People think in many different ways, and opinions branch in all directions. People may quit for multiple reasons, be it subscription fee, lack of content, powerleveling, or even being butthurt by a rival in-game. I'm taking a logical, singular selection from these multiple reasons as it is for a singular change in gameplay. How many would leave because of this change?

People may leave regardless of the change because of subscription fees, being butt-hurt, or bored, but those are all different reasons anyway. How many would leave, either way, specifically because of issues regarding powerleveling?

What is the net worth of each group in this very specific sample?