Why no capped tome increase?

[Rinuko]

If they raised the cap no one would be logging in anymore

[Fhaerron]

The cap will be gone as soon as the new tome-stones release. Currently creation tomes and 340 is highest Ilvl so it's capped until the next.

Do not confuse letter of the producer live with update. That letter is intended to tell us what is coming and what will change, etc but the date of the letter itself is x amount of time before the actual update.

[Cakekizyy]

If they raised the cap no one would be logging in anymore

Sure we would.

[Rinuko]

Sure we would.

Obvious joke but sure.
But atm there isnt much to do if you could cap all tomes gear in a a week and already have all jobs at 70.

[Fhaerron]

Obvious joke but sure.
But atm there isnt much to do if you could cap all tomes gear in a a week and already have all jobs at 70.

PoTD floor 200 farms.
PoTD floor 200 solo (185 or something is current record)
Anima, Zodia, etc farms for ALL jobs
Farm for 999,999,999 gil cap
Max speed mount in all areas
Sightlogs & achievement hunts
Farm Ultimate for 3slot materia 345 weapons for all your jobs (per week)
Complete every single quest in the game (this is actually something I'm working on)
I'm sure there are other things to do too

Or sit in limsa 98.98% of your gametime like 75.8% of my server pop (not even sure what they are doing there and the majority are not even afk).

[HyoMinPark]

PoTD floor 200 farms.
PoTD floor 200 solo (185 or something is current record)
Anima, Zodia, etc farms for ALL jobs
Farm for 999,999,999 gil cap
Max speed mount in all areas
Sightlogs & achievement hunts
Farm Ultimate for 3slot materia 345 weapons for all your jobs (per week)
Complete every single quest in the game (this is actually something I'm working on)
I'm sure there are other things to do too

Or sit in limsa 98.98% of your gametime like 75.8% of my server pop (not even sure what they are doing there and the majority are not even afk).

Thing is, though, people have to be interested in doing all those things to actually stay subbed.

PotD Floor 200 run—okay, reasonable, but for those who have already made it to Floor 200? They may not be interested in doing it a second time.
PotD Floor 200 solo—literally impossible except for possibly RDM. They’re the only job that’s made it to the 190s, last I heard.
Farming relics would require jobs at the appropriate level and interest in the content. Even Zodiacs after being nerfed are still incredibly grindy. Same for Animas.
Gil cap—not really content. And there’s not really any reason to have gil cap because there’s nothing to really sink said gil into.
Max mount speed is obtainable very quickly by just doing daily hunts, A ranks, and S ranks. It doesn’t provide really any longevity.
Sightseeing logs and achievements—not really content, and some achievements are abysmal. Like the Centurio Tiger achievements—3,000 A ranks and 2,000 S ranks. Fulfilling achievements to a completionist level requires banging one’s head against some of the most mind numbing content in the game (10,000 FATEs, anyone?), and if a person isn’t interested, they just won’t do it.
Farming Ultimate is not a very good example at all. ~20 minute fight requiring perfection 90~95% of the time, and it would require a group of 7 other like-minded individuals. I don’t think even a lot of the world first groups for Ultimate would farm that fight 15 times for 15 separate weapons. It’s an endurance test, and some just wanted to do it once, get their title/shiny weapon of choice, and be done with it.
Completing every single quest is content... but some people aren’t interested in sidequests, or have already done all the sidequests for ARR, HW and SB.

Again, all these things listed require an interest in doing to retain subscriptions. If players aren’t interested in grinding out old relics, well, then what is there to keep them subscribed?

[Fhaerron]

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That's true.

It's actually first time I'm playing for such a long time. My account is from 2014 but never really got into it, few days before SB EA I was finishing the last parts of HW and was just ready in time, so I haven't really faced the famous 'content drought' many MMO's suffer from in between patches. So I'm focusing mostly on getting all jobs to 70 and that 'I want to finish every single side quest in the game'.
But this weekend was actually one of the first times I played another game (after my daily roulettes), I was just a bit bored.

And while I do play on a daily base I've got a full time job + evening school and study every evening after work so I play less then the 'average Joe' I assume which is probably another reason why I'm still going without too much issues.

[Fhaerron]

Thing is, though, people have to be interested in doing all those things to actually stay subbed.

Again, all these things listed require an interest in doing to retain subscriptions. If players aren’t interested in grinding out old relics, well, then what is there to keep them subscribed?

Previous post was before your edit.

PoTD can be done over for the mount and dead hive weapon stuff for personal collection or to sell on MB.
PoTD solo I did said world record was 185, I know it's pretty much impossible. I thought it was impossible to even get to 190.. maybe SE will change this later because last boss is just impossible or the last floors to actually reach it.
I'm actually farming the HW anima thing and I started this in August actually (I now at that part whit the 260 Ilvl version), I didn't really 'nolife' grinded it but if doing all these weapons for all jobs... well I'm pretty sure it can take a year if not more.
The rest I more or less agree

I'm don't really know what's interesting to you or to player B or anybody else. What can be interesting to you might not be so for me.
The examples I gave are a bit over it and tbh most of what I did said doesn't even apply to me at all.

Last weekend was actually the first day I felt some 'boredom' while in game and after my daily roulettes I just played another game (Destiny II actually and a bit of GW2 since that was ages ago I last played and just checking out the winter chizzle).

If people want to stop subscribing well ... be my guest ... I don't think of that (yet) since I really want to up everything to 70 and that complete every single quest thing is still a 'in progress'.
I can understand for people who have played this game for much longer then me and have accomplished much more.

But if it comes to the point where nothing interest me anymore I would just stop my sub until the new update, although I have to say I wouldn't like to loose my house.


Please square remove this 1000 character limit >.<

[HyoMinPark]

Previous post was before your edit.

PoTD can be done over for the mount and dead hive weapon stuff for personal collection or to sell on MB.

While that is true, some people just aren’t interested in collecting the mount, or in the weapons, which on my server were dirt cheap last I checked. And even if you can repeat a floor 200 run, that’s not really content; it’s repeating something that you’ve already done. Nothing really new or exciting about it.

PoTD solo I did said world record was 185, I know it's pretty much impossible. I thought it was impossible to even get to 190.. maybe SE will change this later because last boss is just impossible or the last floors to actually reach it.

The current record is a RDM that made it to Floor 196. But RDM is the only job that can do that because Vercure. For most other jobs, soloing to Floor 200 is impossible, even with the sustaining potions. Most won’t have the power (be it health or DPS or self-sustain) to get past Behemoth.


There just isn’t enough content in this current patch to keep people interested. The developers screwed up royally by delaying the Relics because they’re so hellbent on keeping them tied entirely to Eureka, which has been delayed twice already. There is just nothing for the more casual playerbase to do with regards to relevant content.

Even as a raider I am extremely bored. Yeah, I could farm ShinEx or Savage, but the PFs are so abysmal I don’t even want to bother outside of running them with my static. I could maybe do another run of PotD, but it’s not really a priority since I already have my Floor 200 clear. I can grind out old relics, but I get bored of them really quick, since they’re just really grindy glamour pieces at this point. I’m not a completionist when it comes to achievements, really, so I’m basically doing a lot of work for a piece of glamour. Personal opinion, but I feel like it could apply to quite a few individuals that are just downright bored right now.

[Raim]

When people say theres not content they mean theres not meaningful content for them personally to do. Yes theres always the option of going out to get all achievements, fishing log, gathering log, sightseeing log, etc. However, its not appealing to many people. They want things they can work towards and see tangible benefits from. Tomes are holding people back from progressing in a time where we really need alternative/horizontal means of progressing characters. Eureka and relics may alleviate that somewhat, but I think the archaic nature of tomes needs to be reevaluated so its not the same process for 3 expansions.