Declining Good Healer in High-end content

[Kakiko]

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Uhm, I don't recall ever saying I only want to go Diurnal? Would you be so kind as to show me where I said that? Otherwise, please don't put words into my mouth; it's rude. I go with what's needed. If I see my co-AST has chosen Diurnal first, then I go Noct. If I'm with a scholar, I go Diurnal. If I'm with a WHM, I go Noct. Did you miss the part where I said "I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and an AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct"? Yea, that means that's totally me wanting to go into Diurnal!

I'm saying that from what I've seen in 24 and 8 man content the default setting seems to be an AST comes in and without even checking to see who/what their co-heal is, pop into Diurnal and some of them have refused to switch. If I'm going as AST in something I take the time to check and see who my co-heal is, and if it's an AST who has yet to choose a Sect, I reach out in party chat and ask them which one they want to take. Shocking, right? And here I am, according to you "infuriated" that they've chosen Diurnal because apparently I want to be in Diurnal? I don't care what I'm in.

Also, I said it was frustrating, not "infuriating." Two entirely different things. I'm not "infuriated" that someone chooses Diurnal; I'm frustrated when they seem to think it's the default setting and then 100% refuse to change.

[Arrius]

Surprisingly, hard content is hard and you can't find a lot of people to do it well.

I rather say the good players stick to their static or close circle of acquaintances/friends that they can rely on for clearing it.

[kikix12]

Uhm, I don't recall ever saying I only want to go Diurnal? Would you be so kind as to show me where I said that? Otherwise, please don't put words into my mouth; it's rude.

...You're telling me to not put words in my mouth and then go do exactly that, huh...I'll return the favor..."Would you be so kind as to show me where I said (...)" that you only want Diurnal? I am most certainly implying that is the case, yes, but at the same time, your post is doing the same.

You see, what I did hear is focus on why you are frustrated (yes, I mixed the word frustrated with infuriated, but they are two degrees of the same emotion, so they are nowhere near as far apart as you seem to think). There is zero reason that I can think of as to why you would ever be bothered by others going Diurnal "by default", unless you'd want to do that and can't yourself. I literally asked you as to the reason why that frustrates you...


The part about being a DPS and seeing others go Diurnal with White Mage is another thing entirely. As a DPS, you have little reason to care what healers do, so long as they do their job. That White Mage could be frustrated by that, but why would you? You died cause of that?! Yes, then blame the Astrologian for not utilizing his toolking properly. No?! Then you have no reason to care. I very rarely have been in parties with the same healer type (power-heal or shield-heal) in the past. I have all three healers at lvl70 and used all of em in 8-man content at least. And I'll tell you this. As pointless as it seems, it may actually be somewhat reasonable for both healers to have regeneration or both healers to have shields. If for no other reason, then because one of them may not actually make use of these tools, and some battles are easier when you prevent damage while others are easier when you react to them.

Ultimately, stick to your job unless there's a problem. And if it involves your job (when you are Astrologian)...then again. I will repeat the question. Why does it make you frustrated that other Astrologian "defaults" to Diurnal?

[Taika]

I have 100% same experience with this fight. I recently posted this in Tales from Duty Finder thread:

Healing Shinryu ex clear party as WHM. Well, trying to. People are dying to AoEs. I see I'm healing for 9k HPS, my partner AST for 5k. I can't say this so instead I say "I feel like I'm just spamming AoE heals and it's still not enough." AST says "Me too!" Arrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.

I admit from the start I'm not the best healer there is right now, since I'm currently BRD main, but I have mained it from Coil to Alexander and have healed OS1-OS3 and all previous Extremes, and know how to plan my ability use. I can handle my own part, but I'm not good enough to carry another healer through when they just. don't. heal. (or don't heal at correct times and refuse to apply shields). I hate saying at level 70 things like "you should use Medica II sometimes!" or "you should apply shield before the huge AoE hit!"... I've pretty much decided not to do this fight anymore without a healer partner I know and just farm OS4 weapons instead, that's probably easier anyways...

[ViolaCrossfire]

As a healer I hate healing on shinryu. O3S is easier for me. It's not because I have done it less. It's because most of these mechanics are frustraring to heal. The first earth breath for example. If the same dps/healer also gets targeted by akh rhai (50% of the time) you have to identify it in less than a gcd and heal them so they don't die to ice storm. All while a tank is getting mauled and you need to watch for your own akh rhai. Piss poor design if you ask me.

[Estelle9lives]

I have 100% same experience with this fight. I recently posted this in Tales from Duty Finder thread:

I admit from the start I'm not the best healer there is right now, since I'm currently BRD main, but I have mained it from Coil to Alexander and have healed OS1-OS3 and all previous Extremes, and know how to plan my ability use. I can handle my own part, but I'm not good enough to carry another healer through when they just. don't. heal. (or don't heal at correct times and refuse to apply shields). I hate saying at level 70 things like "you should use Medica II sometimes!" or "you should apply shield before the huge AoE hit!"... I've pretty much decided not to do this fight anymore without a healer partner I know and just farm OS4 weapons instead, that's probably easier anyways...

To be fair, Shin Ex is perfectly healable with less than 8k effective HPS (both healers combined) throughout the fight. It's less about hard numbers and more about how each healer is applying their toolkit that makes a huge difference. The AST could be healing for 7k and things would still be clutch if they were never using mitigation when the situation called for it.

Not criticizing your play or anything btw (as it was likely the AST's fault if they weren't mitigating), just a little observation about HPS.

[Taika]

To be fair, Shin Ex is perfectly healable with less than 8k effective HPS (both healers combined) throughout the fight. It's less about hard numbers and more about how each healer is applying their toolkit that makes a huge difference. The AST could be healing for 7k and things would still be clutch if they were never using mitigation when the situation called for it.

Not criticizing your play or anything btw (as it was likely the AST's fault if they weren't mitigating), just a little observation about HPS.

Yeah I believe that, but this was practice, and there were a lot of mistakes and unoptimal tank play to be covered. I'm sure there's a lot of valid critisism to be placed on my healer play too though! You're right though, it's not that much about HPS, it's about using correct heals and abilities at correct times that was the trouble. It was just frustrating for me because I felt like I was literally doing all I could in that situation.

[Kakiko]

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I'm really not sure why you're unable to understand what I'm posting; I'll try to make it a little more clear for you: I do not care if I'm in Diurnal or Nocturnal. I go into whichever sect is needed. Is that a bit clearer? Should I say it again? I. Do. Not. Care. If. I. Am. In. Diurnal. Or. Nocturnal.

You did ask me the reason and I believe I very clearly stated the reason, which apparently you can't quite seem to grasp? The reason it frustrates me, and I'll try to be as clear as possible for you, is when the AST refuses to go into anything but Diurnal.. That maybe wasn't as clear. Let me try again: If you, as an AST, refuse to ever go into anything except Diurnal, you frustrate me. Not because I specifically only want to be in Diurnal, but because you're not working with your co-healer and you're not strengthening your party at all.

I'm really not sure how I can make it more clear to you that it's not because I only want to be in Diurnal, because (again) I do not. I (again) go in to whichever sect is needed/required/makes the party stronger.

Ultimately, stick to your job unless there's a problem. And if it involves your job (when you are Astrologian)...then again. I will repeat the question. Why does it make you frustrated that other Astrologian "defaults" to Diurnal?"

Really? "Stick to your job"? So, you mean to tell me that you never in the history of existing have ever questioned the choice of another player unless they were the same job as you? Not once. Not ever ever ever? You've never questioned why that person did that, or didn't do that, unless they happened to have the same icon as you in the party list? Puh-lease. Don't give me that. "Stick to your job"? I'm not sure you could be any more condescending. I don't think it's up to you to tell me what I have a reason to care about and what I don't. Maybe the tables could be turned: you don't have a reason to care about what I'm saying, so don't?

And again, I'll repeat it, because apparently you can't quite grasp the concept:

I do not care which sect I am in. It makes me frustrated when an AST refuses to choose anything but Diurnal, especially when doing so would help the party as a whole.

But yes, please do keep telling me that I'm frustrated because I want to only be in Diurnal. I'm 110% done trying to make things clear. We'll have to agree to disagree here.

[popotaro]

[LadyKairi]

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I share your feelings. As an Astro, you need to be flexible. There is no "oh yeah I'm -insert sect- main aha! Oh you want me to swap? Shove off m8 >.>". It's especially frustrating when an ast goes noct with a sch co heals. I could see where dual regens COULD be useful, but noct with a whm is just the better option. The astros who refuse to use the proper sect for the situation are just bad players imo. You need to learn how to use its full kit, not just a portion of it.

I did shin ex on my rdm yesterday to get some practice before I go in to heal it (I don't wanna be bad). The whm and Astro seemed to have had a hard time. I kept an eye on them both after dying to unavoidable damage over and over. I was driven nuts from my pet peeves. They kept wasting their ES and over healing, weren't shielding, they were really really slow. The whm seemed to not be doing anything but using medica and medica 2. Their HPS was really low (bout half of the ast tho ast was over healing severely), and their DPS was low for how low their healing was, so it just seemed like they weren't doing much. I wasn't a healer, but you bet I noticed their mistakes. I ended up leaving because the healers just couldn't handle it. Think I'll stick to healing after that experience...