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    Salikin Saberlink
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    Declining Good Healer in High-end content

    Hi, recently I doing Shinryu Ex and other raid/trials using my AST. Sadly, my healer partner unable to cooperate with me until excessive amount MP use by me and my partner MP seems like 90% full. It may looks like from other side seems my MP management is bad but as where I am standing, my MP depleted fast because of AOE heal more than twice because the other heal does not heal. Should they known their skill set first before entering. Kinda sympathize to all party when they are forced to abandon due to multiple wipe due to healer unable to top up party HP before Trials/Raid mechanic initiate.
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    Mirchea Luslec
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    You could solo heal it
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    I could but it just when you got another healer in party, should they cooperate each other unless they mistakenly green icon class
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    Ive done this fight 128 times. Maybe 5 of them I was playing AST, the rest were WHM. I’ve carried so many bad SCH/AST that never shield. All I ever hope for is shields. I can do the heavy lifting, just help me out a little bit and put a shield on that tank about to take Tera slash in dps stance with no cool downs.

    I’ve learned to network a bit. I let my co-healer know when they’re doing a great job and I add them to my friend list. Next time I need a solid co-healer I check my friends first. This might work for you too. Otherwise the solution is probably doing it with your friends, FC or maybe a static.
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    Yes I mostly went those with my friend or FC mate and success rate be like 100% but not all of them free at one time so, by using Duty Finder I almost always found WHM which unable to top up heal party and dead when Boss doing global damage. My shield can hold only certain point of damage, if HP is too little others still could end up dying.
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    Surprisingly, hard content is hard and you can't find a lot of people to do it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonfish View Post
    Ive done this fight 128 times. Maybe 5 of them I was playing AST, the rest were WHM. I’ve carried so many bad SCH/AST that never shield. All I ever hope for is shields. I can do the heavy lifting, just help me out a little bit and put a shield on that tank about to take Tera slash in dps stance with no cool downs.

    I’ve learned to network a bit. I let my co-healer know when they’re doing a great job and I add them to my friend list. Next time I need a solid co-healer I check my friends first. This might work for you too. Otherwise the solution is probably doing it with your friends, FC or maybe a static.
    What is with ASTs these days only wanting to go into Diurnal? I've come across this a couple of times in raids (not Raba, I don't think I'm good enough with the mechanics yet to try healing in it) where my co-heal is an AST and they choose Diurnal without checking to see which their co-heal (me, on AST) is choosing. Is it the default setting for these people? I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct.

    Seeeriously frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiko View Post
    What is with ASTs these days only wanting to go into Diurnal? I've come across this a couple of times in raids (not Raba, I don't think I'm good enough with the mechanics yet to try healing in it) where my co-heal is an AST and they choose Diurnal without checking to see which their co-heal (me, on AST) is choosing. Is it the default setting for these people? I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct.

    Seeeriously frustrating.
    That is how the situation nowadays. Usually when start of the battle I will turn on the Sect after another AST choose their Sect. Given that we can use party chat, should it be discuss first. We could us auto translate like "Healer Nocturnal Sect Diurnal Sect?".
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberlink View Post
    Hi, recently I doing Shinryu Ex and other raid/trials using my AST. Sadly, my healer partner unable to cooperate with me until excessive amount MP use by me and my partner MP seems like 90% full.
    The key here is to communicate. Assuming that it's entirely your partner's fault is also the wrong approach and a rather unhelpful mentality to take.

    First up, quite frankly, the current trials are indeed solo healable with some effort and experience. Whilst not everyone can be expected to play at that level, it's still a simple and indisputable fact that if you're burning through your MP at that rate then there's every chance that you are doing something wrong. Are you remembering to keep Lumi Aether on cooldown? Are getting good value out of your oGCDs?

    It's wrong to attack your co healer's standard of play when there's every chance that you've got just as much room to work on your own. Record yourself with Shadowplay or ask a friend to upload a log for you and have a proper look over, there's plenty of people here on the healer forums that are happy to give you honest and fair suggestions and advice with a provided log or replay.

    Lastly, if all else fails, it's time to open up the comms with your co healer and ask them to fill in the gaps you can't cover yourself. I assume you can type Japanese right? If you can't, then again, you only have yourself to blame.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 12-13-2017 at 07:38 PM.

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    Seraphitia Faro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiko View Post
    What is with ASTs these days only wanting to go into Diurnal? I've come across this a couple of times in raids (not Raba, I don't think I'm good enough with the mechanics yet to try healing in it) where my co-heal is an AST and they choose Diurnal without checking to see which their co-heal (me, on AST) is choosing. Is it the default setting for these people? I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct.

    Seeeriously frustrating.
    Um...You are an Astrologian and are complaining that others only want Diurnal...and are infuriated about that wanting to know why they only want Diurnal...Aren't you part of that?! I mean, why are you infuriated if not for the fact that YOU want Diurnal as well? If you don't care, then just go Nocturnal and be done with it, there would be naught for you to get angry over.

    If I don't care (and I don't, not in 8+ man content anyway) which sect I'm playing, then I base it on whatever the other healer is. Scholar/Nocturnal Astrologian?! I go Diurnal. White Mage/Diurnal Astrologian?! I go Nocturnal. I couldn't care less and I'll pick one or the other myself only if the other Astrologian doesn't seem to be particularly interested in making the first move himself. Though I do usually pick Nocturnal...I came from a Scholar after all, and I do like being able to cast shields before the big hits...

    All in all, ask the question as to why "everyone wants to go Diurnal" to yourself. Why do YOU want to go Diurnal so much that being unable to (cause you are reasonable enough to not force a two-Diurnal situation) you are getting infuriated?! That's going to be a similar answer as to what those you ask in general would bring.
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