Please make a vote surrender option in Rival Wings

[GenericMagus]

Actually, it's 13 votes as then person surrending is counted as the vote, it needs 12 other vote to make it so 13/24 people want to surrender.

And why waste the other 10 mins if you know you're going to lose? You get the same rewards regardless.

According to you, there shouldn't be a vote abandon/ vote kick, because you can make a comeback in the time you have before you're kicked out of the dungeon/raid whatever.

And that comeback is anecdotal at best, not every match is going to end like that, and not at all common.

Point being, the vote surrender option is your equivalent of a vote disband, except you still get the benefits of losing after the 10 min mark, and even if you inititated it, you need over half of the team to agree with you, and if at that point people wanna surrender, why not let them?

[Commander_Justitia]

And that comeback is anecdotal at best, not every match is going to end like that, and not at all common.

So you want to remove that experience from players? In your scenario they will never experience a comeback, because they would have abandoned. Pretty fun? No.

You underestimate the players, some will vote abandon after 10min even if they are close to victory just for the lulz.
Then you underestimate bots, it will get more attractive to them to go rival wings because matches would only take 10min and they could have a majority with 2-3 bot groups already.
Players would vote abandon even if their team is on the offensive and about to take down 2 towers and push their core, simply because they see they are behind.

I too think it should be a bit easier to finish the enemy team if you are way better, like boosting the minions maybe but not with abandoning, especially not after 10min, it is a 2 powerful decision.

[GenericMagus]

Its not removing it if it'a avaliable, not every match will be a vote abandon. If both teams are equal, or you're winning, then only trolls will vote surrender. It requires 13 people in total to get it past through, and you have groups of 4 in a 5 party alliance, so theres less of a chance for that to happen.

It's not fun to be on a beating end and to just lose, which you want to enforce. People have kept saying when things are inevitible to lose to just win, SE may make it so you vote abandon at 15 mins instead, so you have 5 mins left.

Would you be better for you if it was Vote surrender at 15 mins then? 3/4 of the match is almost over, if you're losing why not just ens it there?

You underestimate the players themselves, if they see a chance, they will keep fighting till the very end, the surrender option is when you're kicked so badly you can't get up.

(Btw I think its fine how finishing of the enemy is now, but I would like the mammets be more useful for the core)

[Rufalus]

I think it might be good if there is an automatic condition where the game is ruled a win/loss if one side is too dominant and very far ahead, like in Feast a match can end really fast if all 4 players of one team are KO'd and medals taken while the other team has received no KOs. Or like, just make adjustments so the matches are shorter. Less tower/core HP and less resistance to non-oppressor forms of damage, faster oppressor movement speed (but less oppressor HP so they can still be countered). Things like that.

[RiyahArp]

Not sure this is good, but the problem it addresses is real. Way too many matches end at the twenty minute mark on points, when it was won at the five minute mark. The losing team can't push back, but can defend the whole time. If you can just keep up one tower while their core is exposed, its incredibly hard for them to make a comeback, since they need to down that tower before anything.

I think this will be fixed though if they nerf healers. A lot of the static nature of the match is due to not being able to overcome them, but them also not being able to damage you.

[Mirch]

no vote abandon, it could be used as exploit to get rewards faster or interrupt the game for the lulz, i do not support this.

you either fight and win or fight and lose, if you dont want to waste time: use /return and leave the match, dont ask people to kick you, just leave

[GenericMagus]

no vote abandon, it could be used as exploit to get rewards faster or interrupt the game for the lulz, i do not support this.

you either fight and win or fight and lose, if you dont want to waste time: use /return and leave the match, dont ask people to kick you, just leave

The vote surrender wouldn't be an option that can be abused, while the 10 mins I suggested can be seen as it, having it be avaliable at 15 mins is probably much better discussing it. EXP for loss is always half, and matches often drag on for the full 20 mins.

It's not really abuse if its far quicker to run Frontlines and get more EXP than to get half exp at 10 mins min with vote surrender.
And also, I want to play the game, if I do leave, I suffer the penalty for it, as you applied it directly to me. My time is effectively wasted then. And in thar case, we should have no vote abandon either in regular content, for the exact same reasons.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

When you let me kick multiple people from the match who are losing motivation to play after mid is lost, ye sure. Otherwise this is just catered to people who want a dominating team and get wins fast, instead of putting work and actually try until the end for it. And there are plenty of those guys in pvp sadly, especially after exp introduction and the new reward now.

Defend your core... have some honor even with losing..thats PvP

THIS. So much this!

I find far too many people are just willing to give up or carry a defeatist mentality into PvP. If it's a concern of wasted time, what would you have been doing otherwise? Losing another match? There's a lesson in those losses, and just like he said, have some honor in losing. Learn from it.

Give up and run, and you'll always be giving up and running. And call me harsh but that deserves no reward whatsoever.

[GenericMagus]

https://imgur.com/gallery/myIRm

Heres an example of what I mean, there sure isn't anyway that team is gonna make a comeback from this.

And I do know about losing, why is it such a bad idea to be able to have an option to surrender? Its an option, its not gonna invalidate yours, its equivalent to Vote Abandon in dungeons.

There's no need to be purist other than to waste time, when can potentially accept you lost. Isn't it more honourable to know when you have lost to stop fighting to stop time wasting or just to dig in your heels and be a PITA to other people?

[MaloraYuki]

THIS. So much this!

I find far too many people are just willing to give up or carry a defeatist mentality into PvP. If it's a concern of wasted time, what would you have been doing otherwise? Losing another match? There's a lesson in those losses, and just like he said, have some honor in losing. Learn from it.

Give up and run, and you'll always be giving up and running. And call me harsh but that deserves no reward whatsoever.

I mean I see where you are coming from because games like smite and stuff have bore surrender which this base has a similar platform. But with so many people on one team I think it would get abused really easy. Some people would always feel like they didn’t have a chance to come back because certain people were always vote surrender every time they fell behind. I actually know people who think in the initial Zerg for mid if you don’t get it in the first minute you lost... just some food for thought.