Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
Mostly what I reproach him on that point : the attitude or should I say, the lack of empathy.
Empathy for... what, exactly? Newbies don't know better, and everyone gives them a pass because of it. Veterans who should know better and simply decide not to are choosing to ignore a large part of their kit in favor of absolutely nothing.

Healers that dps and forget to heal are the only ones annoying (that's for sure, they're not doing their job !)
Your job as a group member is to actively contribute to the success of the group to the best of your ability. That goes for all group members in all roles. Doing nothing for 75% of the time when you have a way to use that time to actively contribute can get rather annoying, just like the guy in a group project who only shows up half the time and does the absolute least he can get away with to not have the rest of the group yank his name off the final report.

Again and again, pointing finger on all pure healers, putting them in the same bag regardless of their circonstance (newb, unskilled, lazy...), and comparing them to what everybody would obviously qualify as bad players (healer that don't heal).
That's a pretty harsh sophism I'm tempted to say.
Cynfael has been here for literally hundreds of pages of discussion on this topic already. One thread *alone* was over 100 pages, just recently. All of this has already been hashed out endlessly. Nobody suggests chasing down newbies in game and trying to harass them for not DPSing except pure healers trying to create a strawman to oppose. Because everyone's been a newbie and knows that newbies are often below the standard of play a skilled player would have. That's entirely normal.

That doesn't mean we set the expected level of play for healers so low that absolutely anyone with a pulse automatically passes with flying colors. At some point you need to graduate past that, which is exactly how every other role in the game works. Nobody gets upset that a level 32 DPS player doesn't know how to be effective yet. That guy in Rabanastre putting out 300 DPS and making everyone else carry him? You better believe that's going to upset people.

Literally the only difference is that there's nobody defending the other roles for bad play. They say "you need to learn how to do better, and we'll show you." Healers are unique in having this faction that says it's okay to be deliberately idle most of the time.

Just because I'm asking for a little tolerance, I'm automatically tagged as the most horrible example of players you can meet on Eorzea...
Please show me where I said that.

This why that discussion will never get anywhere.
This discussion never gets anywhere mostly because there's an inherent double standard, which is exactly why I asked the question I did. Why is a pure healer acceptable but a pure tank not? Both of them are doing the bare minimum they can get away with, but only one of them has a group of ardent defenders (and in your own words, the other is the most horrible player in Eorzea).

Why is that? This also applies to the infamous RDM who hated AoE and wanted to single target huge packs because they thought it was more fun. When they suggested that to other DPS players, you know what the response was? Acceptance of their unique playstyle choice, it was not.

At the end of the day, you're either actively contributing to the group to the best of your ability, or you're not. That's it. That standard applies equally across all three roles. Carving out a special case for healers where it's considered acceptable for them to stand around doing nothing for 75% of the dungeon but for nobody else to do that is hypocritical.

What you fail to understand about me Tridus : I don't support or oppose either side.
I d.o.n.t c.a.r.e
And yet, here you are, with multiple posts supporting one side. Go figure.