Tridus, only problem is you just don't seem to understand how you and Cynfael can feel aggressive, and in the end, make me feel like you're full of yourselves.
And it's not even about gameplay or standards or whatever...
Thing is, you actually never really understood, or tried to understand my point, since when I'm reading you I'm always facepalming like "Good lord, what is he talking about... I never even remotely said that !"And yet, here you are, with multiple posts supporting one side.
Always turning around to extremes what I'm saying to fit your point.
That really doesn't give me the will to argue about that matter.
I am kind of tired to always requote myself, rephrase myself, when I already made my point more than crystal clear.
That's why I say it will never go anywhere.
At work, I do have to manage some situations where I have groups of people from different ethnicity having to work and live together for relatively long periods of time (weeks).
And it's serious stuff, people are having arguments over religious or cultural stuffs...
If I was applying your methods, like imposing a unique standard and make everybody bend to it, some people would have fighted each other, or nobody would've stayed in more than 2 days....
That is what you guys have trouble understanding.
That is what I mean by not pushing your ideals on other people.
That is what I call being tolerant.
To make things work, you sure can ask from people. But you also need to accept that other people are different and do not live by your standards, even if you or the majority believe your standards are the right one.
Now stop thinking about progress, high end play, top tier, efficiency for a couple seconds.
Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins.
We are free to live as we want, regardless of people who think that their way of living is superior than ours. However, there is a fine line: if we start to impose restrictions on others’ freedom, then we can’t describe it in the limits of our own freedom. These acts that threaten the freedom of others should simply be taken into consideration as violations.
There is no definite "middle" as it is an extremely subjective matter... hence it is impossible to define what are those limits. You can even start to say who's totally right or who's totally wrong.
That's why I keep saying it will never go anywhere.
To be honest, if you can't live with that, you should never step into the roulette dungeons and only play with your premade...
Hopefully, it is very true.
But if you keep having more and more people having an "elitist" pov on how healer must be played, you'll only end up with a WoW like atmosphere... Community pressure.
May be they don't yell on newbies, sure, but I've been playing mmo long enough to tell you that kids love being jerks online, and that they're not setting a good example at all.
I mean, in Omega I remember some people yelling on others for messing up mechanics... one day after raid release... What kind of joke is that ?
Are those people actually having fun while playing ?
Or is it 45 minutes of frustration for 5 seconds of satisfaction ?
That's why I keep saying, they should be tolerant in the roulette...
Deal with it, life goes on !
If they want to be elitist in their own PF, they have all the rights to though !