House Payments

[Alien_Gamer]

You and I will have to agree to disagree, which is fine.

EDIT: For the sake of conversation, let's say they do put in a system like this, going forward, grandfathering in all of the old wards/houses with the old system. How best would you say a system like this should/could be put in? While it may never happen, rather than just saying "no", why not try to work out the best case scenario for it? Theory craft what it could be, how it could work, etc.

Disagreeing is fine but you're flat out ignoring all the points I and others have made to rebute your idea. There is no best way a system like this could be put in, its all around bad; there is no point in theory crafting something that is bad for everyone. If there was some positive for someone somewhere then sure, but there isn't. We've tried asking you for what you think the positives are and you have yet to actually provide a positive. This is not agreeing to disagree, this is avoiding talking about the points you brought up.

Reducing the upkeep fee to something in line with the cost of armor repair would make it so cheap as to be worthless. At that level it wouldn't work as a disincentive to own a house but its existence as an extra step to take for owning a house would be a constant annoyance to everyone. It would not stop people from owning a house on alts, it wouldn't stop people from flipping houses, it wouldn't make people relinquish their house, it wouldn't free up the housing market, it would only annoy people. So beyond having an upkeep fee to have an upkeep fee, whats the point? It benefits nobody.

Also, you haven't done your homework. In every housing thread for the last 6 months there have been numerous suggestions, including upkeep fees, for how to handle this issue. There are some semi-acceptable ones that don't fix the issue but at least have some benefits such as the one house per server suggestion(I think its a horrible solution and not one I'd support) but most people agree the only real solution is more houses. And poetics are an unused currency? Its the most used currency besides gil and possibly crafting scrips.

As for undermining you instead of your ideas...your own arguments undermine you. Regardless of why you started the topic it doesn't change that upkeep fees aren't unpopular just because they're a fee, they're also unpopular because they don't fix anything with the housing problem. I can promise you, if you come up with that mythical solution that makes everyone happy, everyone will support it; barring that, any proposed solution needs to do two things 1) Fix part of the problem, 2) Not hurt regular players. This community loves debating the housing solutions, propose something that fixes something and people will work with you on it. The forum history has proven it.