House Payments

[Sentaryuu]

I also wouldn't want any kind of fee to keep my house (well my sister's, we share it). We barely make enough gil to buy things we want from the mb. Having to pay to keep our house would probably make us go broke and never afford anything else. MGP or anything else wouldn't be any better. I want to save my MGP for future items in the Gold Saucer.

And yes I did read the whole post. And no we do not have our house as some sort of status symbol. We decorated it ourselves (nor is it expensively decorated) and we just use when we want to get away from other players or to just have fun in.

Well that is my opinion on it and is all I will say.

[AriesMouse]

This isn’t much different from people that log in solely to keep a house...

You make some valid points to consider. It’s not an overall fix, but something that couple be explored, if nothing else. And honestly, if a person is only logging into the game every 44 days to step into their house, chances are, if they had to instead pay a fee, they might not be active enough to gain the resources to cover the cost. There are checks and balances that could be put into place, limit the amount of time you can prepay upkeep for (so only one month in advance), and the in advance payments could only be through one specific method, rather than using all types of currency.

Already one in the game it's sub based...

The Auto-demo feature is easily worked around though, and just makes it so if you’re paying a sub, you can keep your house. SE basically nannies people and sends them an e-mail to remind them to go into their house. I feel like that should be removed. If you want your house, you shouldn’t be reminded to go into it, like a parent telling a child to play with an expensive toy they’ve been ignoring, other wise it’ll be going to the good will.

Thanks for the heads up on the chat limit thing you two.

We barely make enough gil to buy things we want from the mb...

So, neither one of you has any currency at all to spare? Poetics you don’t use, or Verity, Wolf’s Marks? Hunting Seals? Beast tribe tokens? Not a single thing on the entire currency tab is ignored, you are both constantly using ALL of them you’ve built up, consistently?

Bear in mind, when I say an upkeep fee, I meant it would be something more or less negligible, something that would punish wholly inactive players/flippers just sitting at level 1 on a plot, and not people that are actually playing the game. People that actually play the game shouldn’t have an issue at all with this, if the system is adjusted properly.

[Dualgunner]

YBear in mind, when I say an upkeep fee, I meant it would be something more or less negligible, something that would punish wholly inactive players/flippers just sitting at level 1 on a plot, and not people that are actually playing the game. People that actually play the game shouldn’t have an issue at all with this, if the system is adjusted properly.

The more negligible it is, the less it would affect house flippers. The less negligible it is, the more it would affect innocent players just trying to enjoy housing.

[Acilith]

The more negligible it is, the less it would affect house flippers. The less negligible it is, the more it would affect innocent players just trying to enjoy housing.

This right here.

[AriesMouse]

The more negligible it is, the less it would affect house flippers. The less negligible it is, the more it would affect innocent players just trying to enjoy housing.

A valid point, and one that would require fine tuning.
Honestly, this sort of system might not effect flippers too much, bit it would still help to weed out the people that hoard houses as trophies, rather than actually doing anything with them. People that do not actively use their house, or even log on enough to avoid getting an email telling them to log in an check their house, would be the ones mostly punished by this system. And it would make many people think twice about trying to maintain a house for an alt.

[Dualgunner]

A valid point, and one that would require fine tuning.

I don't think any amount of fine tuning would result in a system that works better than the one we have now.

Honestly, this sort of system might not effect flippers too much, bit it would still help to weed out the people that hoard houses as trophies, rather than actually doing anything with them.

I know you don't just mean people who own multiple houses here. Sorry, there's no reason to have a house but as a trophy, so this reasoning is flawed.

People that do not actively use their house, or even log on enough to avoid getting an email telling them to log in an check their house, would be the ones mostly punished by this system.

Everyone is punished by this system. No matter how negligibly: you're proposing we go from a system where people pay once, then own the house so long as they log into it to a system where people have to pay multiple times over a period of time.

The only way I'd ever consider something like that to be okay is if, say, this only applied at the start of 4.2, and everybody who owned a house prior to that was grandfathered in. That way everybody who purchased a house from then on would purchase it with full knowledge that there would be more gil they'd need to pay to maintain the house.

To add, even the people who only log on when they get the email are paying a sub. Many would argue, including me, that the sub is the rent that one is paying. I don't think you have a very good argument that they're less entitled to a house due to their own inactivity: they are maintaining their commitment to the game in rent that's far more valuable than any ingame currency there is.

And it would make many people think twice about trying to maintain a house for an alt.

Or they could just make a house bound to an account, and give every alt access to the same house owned by the player.

[MaloraYuki]

I mean personally I worked hard to get the money for my house since I don’t craft much it was a pain in my ass to get it. It seems harsh to take all the gil I own to keep my house since I might not make that money back in time before I had to pay it again. And I don’t think I should lose the house I worked hard for when for this one month my computer/ internet has been messed up and getting fixed. Instead of demanding more from players demand more from SE, some of us worked hard to get our houses and shouldn’t be kicked out for “not paying rent”...

[New_Game_Plus]

No thank you.

[Lelila38]

The more negligible it is, the less it would affect house flippers. The less negligible it is, the more it would affect innocent players just trying to enjoy housing.

That's the case with each system they introduce though. The current one is no exception.

[HyoMinPark]

That's the case with each system they introduce though. The current one is no exception.

And the best solution would be to shift to instanced housing so that the housing supply can meet the housing demand. Not implement arbitrary charges a la a mortgage in a veiled attempt to curve house-loggers or house-flippers. Because it wouldn’t stop either.