House Payments

[Besame]

No additional charges. I put enough gil into constant upgrades via crafting/purchase into my medium home.

[Odinn]

Why did you come up with such an idea in the first place? Did the community asked you to? Or is it perhaps that you are one of those that couldnt get the plot that you wanted?

My answer is No. As many already pointed out, you are already paying a monthly fee to be able to play this game, so paying a rent for your plot would "definitely" be a punishment for those who own a plot. For you to be stating that grinding gil is easy with pve, pvp, gold saucer etc. It could be possible, but you cant say that for others, as everybody has their own way of earning gil. Sure it would be easy for high level crafters, but what about those who arent dedicated? Thought about that? Also there are players who log in daily, but there are those who just log in 2 or 3 times a week, that would mean that the only thing those players will have to do is to grind gil just so that they can keep their plot, and that aint fun. Its a punishment and its a discouragement for players to keep playing this game

[ArkNova]

Your thread title is misleading, you make payments on something to eventually own it. What you are asking is for the system to be turned into a rent system.

[Alien_Gamer]

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1. So let me get this straight, your solution for trying to take away the houses of people that use it and can't afford it under this system is to have them depend on the generosity of others? And that doesn't give you a hint that this is a bad idea? The only thing an upkeep is does is make people work harder to keep what they have. You also have yet to describe any benefits to this system beyond your statement that it will be good for players....which it isn't.

2-3. Auto-demolition exists, SE will not allow an in game system to trump this because its not in anyone's best interest to allow it. Have you considered the consequences of what would happen if they did? Lets say you can pay for your house for 6 months and the demo timer doesnt take effect until then, what would happen? People would just wait 6 months to log in instead of 45 days. If SE stopped sending emails those people would just set a calendar alarm in their email client to remind them or have a tennant that still plays remind them. So no change there. What would change is the length of time an unused plot would remain un demolished. Instead of it happening at 45 days it would happen at whatever amount of time a person prepaid it. So now SE has just pissed off all the people that were in favor of the timer as their only realistic chance to get a house outside of expansions and sellers. And the people who are pissed about the timer existing in the first place? They're still pissed because not only does it exist but its less effective. Then you have the people who make less gil, the raiders and non crafters, they're upset that they don't have the chance at a house now because the gazillionaire crafters have prepaid for the next X months. Not to mention, the subs that SE would be getting every 45 days are now extended to every 180 days, thats only half the revenue stream from that audience...SE certainly won't be happy about that.

So no, this won't make it easier to keep because it will never happen. There is no reason to make it happen because it benefits nobody.

4. See my previous comment. Its their house, you have no right to dictate how they use it or don't use it. If they want to buy it and do nothing with it, then thats on them. Many people do complain about people buying houses and not decorating them and they get the same answer. If its not your house then you have no business dictating anything about that house.

Also, housing is a status symbol in every game. Even if housing was unlimited it would still be a status symbol for people to show off their design skills and trophies from EX trials/raids.

So far you've come up with 2 arguments for this, combatting flippers and you don't like how people use their house. The first this doesn't work for, the second is none of your business. I get that you want a house, but you're going at it the wrong way with this suggestion.

[silverlunarfox]

There are some months I play extremely small amounts of the game daily due to other games being out and can't even make the 250k you suggested for a small..... >.> While I am still very much an active player, making gil is not my number one priority and I shouldn't be penalized for that. Nor should I have to pay a rental fee on a virtual house in game.

And no this won't stop the flippers, no matter how much you charge per month.

[kidalutz]

No there shouldnt be a fee biggest reason? much like the real world the Market is killing the average player under huge prices for pretty gear they want or really need to start thier zodiac weapon quest so if they actually manage to save up the gil to get a house they frellin earned especially after spending hundreds of thousands of gil for the crafted weapon on top of the I wanna say 5 million or so for glamour gear High Allagan set is stupid high because nobody runs the bahamut coils anymore these things take months they do not need to drop more of thier actual hartd earned gil on something they bought for a huge amount of gil in the first place.

[AriesMouse]

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You and I will have to agree to disagree, which is fine. I just don't buy into the narrative that this would be a challenging thing for people to work with, since I don't believe the people that own homes are a bunch of poor beggars in potatoes sacks, with not even enough gil to repair their armor. Which realistically, is what the upkeep price should be equivalent to, keeping your armor repaired. While this system is off putting to some, I don't see anyone else making any other suggestions for what to do, any other suggestions to put into place to at least try to help with the housing dilemma. Most I see is people screeching "1 house per account per server" which is something I personally disagree with (guess I'm full of unpopular opinions).

A big reason I highlighted that this system should use all types of currency, is because maybe in time, it would open the gates to allow houses as a whole to be bought with more than just gil, so all those people that "just barely scraped by to get a house", could have an easier time through other means to get a house. There are so many unused currencies in the game, Poetics come to mind, that you end up capped with, without even trying more days, so why not find more ways to use those things?

Also, the whole "you just want a house, that's why you're saying this" argument gets so old, and honestly just feels like a last ditch effort to try to undermine the person you disagree with, rather than actually conversing about the subject.

EDIT: For the sake of conversation, let's say they do put in a system like this, going forward, grandfathering in all of the old wards/houses with the old system. How best would you say a system like this should/could be put in? While it may never happen, rather than just saying "no", why not try to work out the best case scenario for it? Theory craft what it could be, how it could work, etc.

There are some months I play extremely small amounts of the game daily due to other games being out and can't even make the 250k you suggested for a small.....

You're taking the example numbers to heart. I specifically said they were only examples, not even something close to what the actual numbers would be. One top of the fact, we could use any currency of our choice, not just gil.

[Tussin]

lots of people dont have time to farm money that much. it becomes a chore, when the game can already be that.

no thanks.

not everyone has RMT'ed gil or has a good reliable way to make gil when markets go slow.

[Siniztor]

EDIT: For the sake of conversation, let's say they do put in a system like this, going forward, grandfathering in all of the old wards/houses with the old system. How best would you say a system like this should/could be put in? While it may never happen, rather than just saying "no", why not try to work out the best case scenario for it? Theory craft what it could be, how it could work, etc.

There is basicly 2 options it seems.
1- Se upgrades there server space to hold 100+ wards per city (not gonna happen)
2-instance housing (still probly not gonna happen) This would be my go to if i were them......id preffer instanced (As long as we still could have people come over)

Were just gonna get a few mroe wards here and there with rule changes so people cant run right in and buy them up. Id be willing to bet 4.2 will not solve any thing there will still be more chars/fcs then houses.

Alot of people are throwing around lotto (not to fair) and achivement points to buy houses. ID say if you wanna house cover your bases max hunt seal Gc seals and do achivements lol

[Kisagami]

I would rather it NOT be a payment plan. We as a Grand Company barely managed enough for our house and we use it constantly. We use it as a hangout for both our linkshell and our FC. We don’t need more things to overcome when it comes to housing.