House Payments

[Ilyrian]

It would also punish people who saved up and now are broke.

Was thinking the same – I know I was broke after I bought mine.
I'm thinking OP didn't manage to get a house so far? Not sure this would help them tbf.

[LusterlessNova]

My FC is currently owning a large house, and I would support this actually. No matter if playing alone or not, if the numbers are fair, active players won't have trouble paying. And sure. Multiple house owners have gil, but for how long if this system is in effect? Anything that can cut a hole in their pocket, no matter how small, is very welcomed in my opinion.
I support this.

[Ilyrian]

No matter if playing alone or not, if the numbers are fair, active players won't have trouble paying.

But why should they? You haven't really made that clear. Is it to discourage people buying houses? To what extent? Open them up for only the super-rich?
(The fact we are discussing a virtual currency isn't lost on me –*but it's an interesting topic nonetheless.)

[LusterlessNova]

I simply think that players who like/love their houses will take the time and effort to gather the needed gil, while house sellers and those who think of it as a "neat extra" will find themselves cornered eventually. Besides. Look at those suggested numbers and compare them to the buying price. The FC house cost me 50m. I'm a money maker and can save up gil. 1m per month would be easy. And if I fail, I know I can ask my FC buddies to help out. Those who live alone might consider looking for roommates if the costs get to high, giving housing access to some more people (sure not an own house, but this isn't bad either).
What I'm trying to say is that when you love something, you'll find ways. Gil isn't hard to get. Crafting, monster drops, treasure hunts, and so many more methods are out there.

[Abelfei]

I simply think that players who like/love their houses will take the time and effort to gather the needed gil, while house sellers and those who think of it as a "neat extra" will find themselves cornered eventually. Besides. Look at those suggested numbers and compare them to the buying price. The FC house cost me 50m. I'm a money maker and can save up gil. 1m per month would be easy.

How will people with multiple houses or selling houses be " cornered " by this? Most have hundreds of millions or over a billion and this wouldn't affect them at all other than having to do one more chore. If it's an easy fee for you to pay like you have suggested, then it will be even easier for those people, wouldn't you think?

[LusterlessNova]

Hm... You make a good point. It means it would depend on how many houses a seller (or just multiple owner) has on how much of a burden it would be. Currently having a house is like having a gold bar. It doesn't age and has a solid value. That and the demand makes them attractive to hoard and sell. But if a system like this comes into effect, it would be more like iron. Prone to rust, with which I mean it has to be sold before it's upkeep costs exceed it's sell price. Judging by the current prices, 3 months for small houses, around 12 for middle, and up to 50 for large ones. No idea what/if this would affect large and middle ones, but at least small ones wouldn't be so attractive to trade with anymore, likely resulting in more small houses being available for some time.

[Alleo]

My FC is currently owning a large house, and I would support this actually. No matter if playing alone or not, if the numbers are fair, active players won't have trouble paying.

What would be fair prices? If its something like <10.000 Gil a month its small for most yet why even need such a system at all then? If its too much you will just punish the player. Also since a FC has a way to get more money thanks to having more members, how about the rule that you have to multiply the monthly price per member. So if a single privat person has to pay 100k per month, a FC with like 10 members would have to pay 1 million Gil. Sounds bad? Yes it is but would be imo way fairer since FCs are using it way more, have more functions and more people using it. Anyway this whole rental thing would just be bad. This would only take away from those that just want some houses for their own, while not doing anything against those that misuse the system..

Making the prices rise to so absurd levels that no one buys them, which when given enough time, will likely make this kind of trade collapse.

You are only seeing this as way to stop sellers but completely forget what that would mean for the common people that truly just want to have a house..raising the price so much that they are too expensive to sell just means that probably 70% of the housing owners or more would just lose theirs..and all those that want one will probably not buy it either because they could not keep it anyway. I mean its one way to stop the housing problem...but it would be by destroying it for most players..Stopping sellers is quite easier if they simply introduce the rule of one FC and one private house per server/account. At least it would decrease the amount people can sell and they could even include a timer after you reclaimed a plot so that they cant just buy something again that fast. If this is also server wide or account wide you will take away their chance to buy them..I find this a better solution, since this would truly just punish those that want to just buy and sell houses and would not punish the rest of us.

[ChameleonMS]

...how about the rule that you have to multiply the monthly price per member. So if a single privat person has to pay 100k per month, a FC with like 10 members would have to pay 1 million Gil. Sounds bad? Yes it is but would be imo way fairer since FCs are using it way more, have more functions and more people using it.

This would just cause FC leaders to kick people out of the FC to lower the price. If such a system existed, we know that the pay time would be set to for the weekly reset timer. Or 1st of the month kind of thing.
FCs will just coordinate a kick of members the night before, and invite everyone back the next day.
It also punishes FCs that do not kick inactive members during their breaks.


I am against the fee idea in the first place.

[Alleo]

This would just cause FC leaders to kick people out of the FC to lower the price. If such a system existed, we know that the pay time would be set to for the weekly reset timer. Or 1st of the month kind of thing.
FCs will just coordinate a kick of members the night before, and invite everyone back the next day.
It also punishes FCs that do not kick inactive members during their breaks.


I am against the fee idea in the first place.

Oh I know. My comment was a bit sarcastic since it was fine for the poster since they are in a FC (thus there would be more people to split the price of the rent thus less rent per person) so I kinda pointed out that they also could include something where everyone had to pay the price. Its bad like the whole idea is (imo) but wanted to show how bad it could possible go.

Well I got a lot to reply to, which feels like work, so how about a thought from another angle instead?
So the common opinion is that the prices would rise, right? Let's say as example: To the at least 3-fold value (probably higher, just deal with it for now). I can't help but wonder, but isn't it against the terms of service to sell houses for large profit? Large isn't defined, sure, but wouldn't writing tickets help get houses off profit sellers if the prices go way over a reasonable price? Just wondering.

First people are already selling it for way too high prices without any problems so why would that truly change? And second you again only look at this on the angle of sellers. Please dont forget all the other people that will lose their house if they ever implemented a price that would be so high that it would need a raise in price..Nobody will care about sellers anymore because those that can pay it will either do that or decide that its too much of a hassle. And the rest of crowd will not even be able to finance that. Well yes you will probably kill of the selling market..by killing the whole system with it and make it a "rich only"..or increase the whole RMT..

[MeridaQ]

Making the prices rise to so absurd levels that no one buys them, which when given enough time, will likely make this kind of trade collapse.

By doing so would literally promote RMT, people have paid over 500 million for a housing plot. I don’t know about you but everyone I know that made their money legitimately would never pay those prices. This system would make house flippers just charge more. If you say that means less people will by it. You are wrong, it just means people will buy more RMT Gil. I have a friend who sells O4S clears for 500 mil each. He has sold 15 of them. He knows some of them buy Gil. How does this “solution” help the active players? It just gives more reasons to buy Gil. You are right though less people will buy house, those buying legitimately because many active players wouldn’t be able to pay.