New info on housing plots, PVP, squadron changes

[Krotoan]

Tell you what. We'll stop calling bullshit on their excuses when SE cuts the subscription costs in half. ...

so.. unreasonable demand and comparison to an entirely different game again. WOW was built, in house, by Blizzard. FFXIV was sub-contracted to hell to a company that originally called chocobos "horse-birds" and used a cut and paste landscape to try and give a feeling of expanse. Bedrock foundation vs filled in swampland.

Yes they have a limited budget, we know this.. so why keep asking for things we know the bigwigs aren't going to change? They aren't going to listen to forum chatter, only the bottom line matters to those people. You want a hard hitting vote? unsub. Not even being sarcastic or mean, it's the ONLY thing that will change that particular problem.

Yes the glamour system sucks. GW2 is the only game I've seen get that entirely right: account wide, unlocked forever, free dye use forever. I would be super duper happy if that happened. But once again. whole different game with different infrastructure and coding. I don't think asking for a Maserati engine in my nissan leaf is a great idea. .. AND they're overhauling it like we asked, so lets see where that goes before condemning it shall we?


well within your rights to ask for whatever, sure. But keep in mind reasonable expectations. We aren't getting *insert other games system for thing* anytime soon. We're going to get SE branded , limited resource, "please look forward to it", thing.

There is NOTHING in the cash-shop you need to play the game , and it's debatable that you'd even need anything from there to enjoy the game . This game costs about as much as a netflix subscription or a single fairly priced meal for an entire month. That's enough value for me , if it's not for you I suggest you , once again, stop paying for something you don't think is worth what you're paying for.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

so.. unreasonable demand and comparison to an entirely different game again.

Except it isn't unreasonable. Their initial solution to housing was more expensive FC rooms, and when asked about larger sizes outright acknowledged they never even considered it. Regardless, how about just being candid. The devs are notorious for saying very little, which only fuels the fire. If housing is such an issue, don't market it with your expansion. Those frustrations are only amplified when they specifically relocated the systems only for them and the launcher to implode, causing the disaster that was Shirogane. I don't doubt there are limits to what they can do, but their word isn't the gospel either. We've had plenty of instances where resources were simply wasted on pointless additions like LoV and Diadem.

And I only brought up the cash shop because it's another source of income, thus people are disgruntled when they're given nebulous responses when asking for improvements to the current systems. Hell, people want Lyse's outfit to be dyeable. Are we going to argue that's just too difficult?

[Krotoan]

Except it isn't unreasonable....?

It's unreasonable to request a company slash their income from a game in half, yes. That's what I was referring to.

a good read about why we don't hear much about the actual process:
http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/09/...yre-working/#1

We don't know how hard it is, and they're afraid to tell us because as a rule , playerbases are toxic as heck when even given a tiny bit of information... as is demonstrated by the flood of negativity we got when they simply announced: we're working on it and these are the basics of what we are trying to do.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's unreasonable to request a company slash their income from a game in half, yes. That's what I was referring to.

a good read about why we don't hear much about the actual process:
http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/09/...yre-working/#1

We don't know how hard it is, and they're afraid to tell us because as a rule , playerbases are toxic as heck when even given a tiny bit of information... as is demonstrated by the flood of negativity we got when they simply announced: we're working on it and these are the basics of what we are trying to do.

I was being intentionally hyperbolic towards the excuse "we can't do all this things other games older than ours can". That had nothing to do with the devs and was directed towards SE itself. If they're going to charge competitive prices yet not deliver a comparable product, people are going to take issue.

And while I don't deny forums can breed some nasty comments, that article comes across a little... poorly. Perhaps it's simply my interpretation, but it sounds more like he only wants positive feedback. Furthermore, negativity and toxicity are not the same thing. Neither here nor reddit have been toxic for the most part in regards to housing, just highly critical. Being told, "we're working on" feels a touch hollow when this issue has persisted for over a year and nothing has been done. They had to know people would mass log in—it's happened every single time new wards are added. Coincidentally, when all regions voiced their outrage, we got an immediate response.

[Krotoan]

And while I don't deny forums can breed some nasty comments, that article comes across a little... poorly. Perhaps it's simply my interpretation, but it sounds more like he only wants positive feedback. Furthermore, negativity and toxicity are not the same thing. Neither here nor reddit have been toxic for the most part in regards to housing, just highly critical. Being told, "we're working on" feels a touch hollow when this issue has persisted for over a year and nothing has been done. They had to know people would mass log in—it's happened every single time new wards are added. Coincidentally, when all regions voiced their outrage, we got an immediate response.

I'm with you on the "what did they think was going to happen?" part for housing release day. It's happened every time and will continue to happen if they do these "starter gate" type of releases. This is one of the things they say they're addressing though, so fingers crossed.

I didn't get "don't tell me negative things" from that post though:
"If you can't contribute something positive to the conversation, or there's a chance you're speaking out of blind ignorance, just find something else to do."
Doesn't mean "only say nice things". It means contribute. Suggest a solution out of educated experience. "DO WHAT THIS GAME DOES" is not helpful. "I like the way this works in this game, maybe we could do this similar thing that works with the established mechanics of our own game?" is. "I don't like this thing" is feedback, but not all that useful.

I dunno about you, but I see a hell of a lot of toxicity in these forums, "lol the game sucks and is dying, SE white knight go suck more SE D(&^" pops up a lot. I always ask why those people are still here and haven't gotten a reasonable answer yet. People attack each other, insult each other and tell them how dumb they are for thinking some way without any sort of counter argument or proposed solution to the problem. They use the forum to put others down and contribute nothing. "LOL NO THAT'S STUPID". Not criticism, just an insult.

[Paladinleeds]

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And this is why, after dodging a question someone had asked about "What other game does it?" due to something I in hindsight should not have said (and I acknowledged that I phrased it extremely poorly I.E. I shouldn't have said it), I went about ways in which FFXIV can do it. Looking at existing infrastructure that we have in place, how we can tackle certain limitations like MB/chocobo stable, etc. I was giving ideas on how to do it. But yes, it does get a bit frustrating when for over 2 years, it's been the same thing that hasn't worked. Again, I understand the nightmares of "spaghetti code" (Developing stuff in C# for Discord comes to mind...), but it is frustrating as an end user.

[Lilseph]

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/09/...yre-working/#1

Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

I'll always support the positive feedback, which doesn't mean "a nice comment with a smiley emote as a signature", but actual constructive criticism. Within the system's limitations and with a degree of common sense. Like making certain things dyables, which is the recent complaint/suggestion. The community managers recently approached the players asking what sets of gears we would like to make dyable. If that's possible or not, that will be up to them.

I really don't know how hard would be to overhaul the whole system to satisfy the demand from players, I'm not a developer and I have zero idea about their system. However, as a customer, instead of parroting like any YouTuber/Other_player would say, I will try and voice my complaints and suggestions as good as I can. Like I said above, if it's possible or not, the developers themselves will have the last word.

Ignore the temporary lala-status. I swear I'm one of you! lol

Your name says it all!

Also, let's not derail the thread into a virtual racism debate, please...