Tank dps harrasment

[Dualgunner]

Nor do I personally feel doing nothing to maintain the status quo since we are unable to determine what effect if any it would have the issue in question, a valid reason to not further look into an issue a strong position either.

Fair enough. But if I can prevent even one case of harassment by keeping it opt-out, I say keep it opt-out.

Making FFLogs opt-in would also make looking for a group that fits a desired play style easier and minimize the requests from players some would deem as sub-par. For example if a player did not want their fflogs shown and saw the requirement to joining said group was open logs, it stands to reason they would not even bother to try and join said group though we do not know if it will make life harder or easier or what sort of impact it would have.

If we do not know...why act? It's not the mark of intelligence to just flail randomly because something good might happen.

You feel it will make things harder, and I am not sure i could see it go either way, though more so towards making things easier. I agree it would have an the impact, though in my opinion it would be minimal, which is subjective what I view as minimal may not be what you would consider minimal.

If I can prevent even one person getting harassed, then it's worth it to me to keep FFLogs the way it is. I can't prove that it will but by god, there's that theoretical possibility.

Our positions at the core are based around a theoretical situation that neither of us truly know what lasting effect such a change would have, all we can do is talk about it or ignore it.

And we talked about it. The positions come down to rock hard "If I can prevent even 1 person from getting harassed" on both sides, which is the biggest weakness of your argument. You have no evidence that your suggestion would help; you don't even know if it would hurt more than it helps. Hell, you don't even know if the net number of people harassed would change in any way. The fact that someone can say your words, almost verbatim, and be just as valid in the context of your argument but vastly against your position, is silly.

I do understand FFLogs is a third party site, though I will never understand why people feel it is reasonable to expatiation to place the burden of keeping their numbers hidden on from what I could only assume is the larger mass of players instead of the smaller subset that wish to use the tool. Though maybe those that do not wish to use FFLogs are in the minority, I do not know.

I never understand why a lot of people argue against personal responsibility both in game and on the forums. But there you go.

Wouldn't a neutral stance be not taking a side either way, and I do recall mentioning they do not support the use of a parser but know of their use. They have a stance do not use them, and if you do don't say anything. Seems far from neutral, though I will agree they are in state of equilibrium, and if they took action towards FFLogs said state would suffer, I do not see how it will impact FFLogs should fail into the equation as to why the assumed mass of players should be expected to create an account on a third party site to hide information. I would not say SE does not have a stance regarding the use of a parser.

Their position is against third party tools. Their position on parsers themselves is "Don't ask, don't tell." Which is a neutral position.