DPS is the job of DPS.

[Awha]

Snip. . .

Yeah I agree, just I simply do not understand the mindset some players have in regard to being a new player. I mean in my example it would have been nice if the group was a tad more welcoming the fact that I was forth coming which my gear and lack of knowledge regarding the dungeon. I just do not understand why some newer players expect experience players to be willing to walk them through a new dungeon, or why some experienced players feel people should be obligated to help newer players in the game.

By no means does this mean I feel as if it gives people a free pass to berate or belittle a new player for a failed attempt. I just wish all players would come to terms with fact that DF experiences will always be random, unless you stack the odds in your favor by removing certain variables a la queuing with friends.

I mean from what I have seen the first time bonus is rather lackluster for older players, maybe if SE wanted to foster a more helpful community first time bonus should yield greater rewards that a more seasoned player may find more appealing? I do not know. Though I am indifferent with this idea because while it is nice when you run into players that are willing to adjust to new players, but by no means should we a) place that expectation on older players and b) should new players have that expectation. Helping another while nice, should never be an obligation, since when it becomes a obligation the help given will more likely be half ass and at that point it is just becomes a potential bitter experience for all parties involved.


I the end I simply do not understand how any player feels they have the right to provide a negative experience for others simply because they were not voted out of the group. Punishment should be the only thing people respond to, common courtesy should be more prevalent. Though that is a lofty ideal.

Be it the player that pulls for the tank after majority said they were okay with a slower run, or the player that does single pulls, those players that do not use their aoe in protest to large pulls etc. . . sadly I have ran into each of those types, and I am sure there are many more.

[Cakekizyy]

An idea for improving bonus is to give all tomestone type and ignore weekly cap.

[ToasterMan]

Wow! You guys are STILL having this debate? Do you not like, not have anything better to do? Like other games to play or something?

[Rhais]

This debate has been going on for years, don't expect it to end anytime soon.

[SenorPatty]

Wow! You guys are STILL having this debate? Do you not like, not have anything better to do? Like other games to play or something?

I can't play games where I work. They won't give me the wifi password so all I can do is use my unlimited but slow data on my phone.

[Sylvina]

OP made this thread because he didn't like the proof posted here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4486388

This isn't something which can be proven. Man the rumors about gilga are true..

[akaneakki]

This isn't something which can be proven. Man the rumors about gilga are true..

I'm asking you again, if a healer out dps a dps, is the dps bad??

[Miste]

Do you not like, not have anything better to do? Like other games to play or something?

Do you like, not have anything better to do than to come into a discussion forum and ask why people are discussing things?

[Nezia]

Funfact: When doing dgs with your squadron the healer NPC deals quite a respectable damage.

[kikix12]

Funfact: When doing dgs with your squadron the healer NPC deals quite a respectable damage.

In the squadron runs, everyone (ranged) deals quite a respectable damage. Their stats are significantly increased to make up for the fact that they are dumber than a bunch of bricks. Otherwise it would simply be a pain.

That being said, no one needs to look further than at the healers skill bar to know that healers have the tools to DPS if the situation calls for it. Most people that disagree with healers DPS'ing do so based on their idea of what these circumstances are, rather than anything else, I think. Very few people think that healer should never DPS, unless solo, and the skills being available even in party clearly shows that even developers that are pro-focused-healing think that a healer should throw a DPS here or there. Holy, Assize, Gravity, Miasma II, Bane...all these skills are party-oriented DPS skills, which you are incapable of fully utilizing outside of party. And yet they are there...so yeah.