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  1. #1
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Technically, you are obliged to nothing. And, if SE actually monitored votekick, kicking someone because you want a faster run would be considered abusive.
    Queuing with random means accepting everyone, or leaving by yourself if they doesn't meet your criteria.
    That is actually fully sanctioned; the XIV community team, even, has at multiple occasions gone so far as to expressly re-inform us that such is wholly permitted.

    Queuing with a sample drawn from "everyone" does not mean that you must account for "everyone" once in the dungeon. By all means, have the capacity to prepare yourself accordingly, but once the sample is set, they are your only parameters, not some theoretical omnibody.

    You don't get to say "you can't ask me to do that, because Little Timmy wouldn't be able to anyways, and you could have gotten Little Timmy." You're not Little Timmy; if you are capable, then you are thus obliged. Ignore that obligation however you wish, but you are obliged.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 11-23-2017 at 03:00 AM. Reason: typos; OCD

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    Liza Sol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Technically, you are obliged to nothing. And, if SE actually monitored votekick, kicking someone because you want a faster run would be considered abusive.
    Queuing with random means accepting everyone, or leaving by yourself if they doesn't meet your criteria.
    I don't think in this case it's about wanting a faster run, it's more about HOW MUCH they actually give a damn. If someone plays like they are half AFK or like a bot, they do get kicked. It's that simple.
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    Miste's Avatar
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    Miste Vaer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Queuing with random means accepting everyone, or leaving by yourself if they doesn't meet your criteria.
    Let me fix this for you....

    Queuing with random means you may have to adjust your play style to the majority, or leave, or possibly be kicked by the majority for failing to at least try to adjust.

    Example A: A tank queues alone gets into a group with a new healer and two regular DPS, said tank tries to multipull and the party wipes, the rest of the group ask the tank to slow down and only pull one set because the healer is new, the tank ignores this and multipulls again and wipes the group, therefore the majority two DPS and healer vote kick the tank to try to get someone willing to adjust.

    On the flip side...

    Example B: A tank queues alone and gets into a group with a healer and two DPS with no new player message and they have good gear so decently experienced, said tank multipulls and one of the DPS isn't using AoE abilities at all which is causing the mobs to die very slowly, the group seems as a whole to be in agreement that the DPS should be using their AoE abilities on multipulls as they all ask the DPS who didn't if he could use them please, said DPS responds defensively and claims they refuse to use AoE abilities because they don't like speedruns, therefore the majority healer, tank, and other DPS vote kick the DPS to try to get one willing to adjust.



    I personally adjust my playstyle ALL the time when I queue into DF alone because I know that how I want to play may not be majority and I refuse to be stubborn and uncooperative unless the majority asks for something that makes no logical sense like if I was on healer and they told me not to DPS even though I never let anyone die; I'd prefer to get kicked or leave instead of deal with a ridiculous request such as that, but I wouldn't be in here complaining I got kicked either because I actually welcome it in that situation.

    There have been many many times on tank where sometimes I have attempted multipull and the group barely handled it or we wiped so I adjust to single pulls even though personally I prefer to do big pulls. There have been many times on healer or DPS where the tank doesn't multipull even though I prefer big pulls, but I adjust and deal with it if the rest of the group seems to be okay with it.

    I compromise and adjust my play style all the time, so I don't have much sympathy for people who refuse to even try to adjust to the majority of the group they get.
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    Last edited by Miste; 11-24-2017 at 12:15 AM.

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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    Let me fix this for you....
    Queuing with random means you may have to adjust your play style to the majority, or leave, or possibly be kicked by the majority for failing to at least try to adjust.
    No, I don't have to adjust my playstyle to the majority. And your totally biased example of a tank wiping the entire team multiple times on purpose does nothing to change that.
    If I keep aggro on everything and use my skills properly, I don't care that two persons on the team want a speedrun, especially if I'm paired with a healer that's not confident on healing through big packs.

    If you have any requirement above "people doing their job", you build your own party.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    I think the whole difference in play style thing has been confirmed by multiple GMs no?

    The key point here is in being civil and courteous about it.
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    Nocturnia Uzuki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hruodig View Post
    Tank 1 can hold aggro and mitigate content perfectly well, while doing 3500ish dps.

    Tank 2 also holds aggro and mitigates, while doing 2500 dps.

    Which tank is preferable to have in your party?
    They're both the same to me, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    They're both the same to me, really.
    The difference is palpable, believe me. Especially when you add in the other party members who are also trying their best.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    They're both the same to me, really.
    I disagree. You can immediately tell a difference when a tank is stance-dancing and trying to contribute to party DPS or rDPS versus one that is not. Same with healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I disagree. You can immediately tell a difference when a tank is stance-dancing and trying to contribute to party DPS or rDPS versus one that is not. Same with healers.
    Everyone completely misinterpreted my post. It's beautiful
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    Shion Sumeragi
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    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    Everyone completely misinterpreted my post. It's beautiful
    Sarcasm when you can't properly communicate your opinion is not becoming.
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