DPS is the job of DPS.

[Misurugi]

i really should stop looking at these threads when I see um. They just... aggravate the unholy hell out of me. I can tank with out tank stance... Tank buster, WHAP. What the hell you stupid healer how come you didn't heal me... You were hit by a tank buster when not in tank stance. Or, Tank grabs lots of mobs and dies because as a healer I have to wait until tank has command of aggro before I do anything or... OOPS. I died by trying to keep the tank alive... STUPID HEALER WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT FOR ME TO GET AGGRO. You had less then 20% health left. I didn't have a choice but to bene you. I been on every side of this argument. Job comes first. Everything else secondary. If the healer is having a hard time keeping you, THE TANK, alive while you decide to stroke your micro sized E-pen. Put tank stance on. Healers. Find a compromise. If their's a lul in damage being delt do a bit of dps. rather have mp incase the shit hits the fan. Dps... Go nuts. Do what you do best. Don't make it your priority. Make a point. Ok you have less then... 40% mp left. Ok time to start thinking about conservation tactics via letting your dps go and think about healing. Shut the fuck up you don't know how to play healer... Dude... I play every class. You want to give constructive criticism after you see me at work... Go for it. My job comes first. If I'm the tank. I'll tank. I'll stance dance during lul points after a tank buster and I know I have time to switch back to tank stance for the next one. As a healer.... I'll do both healing and dps tell my mp gets to about 50%.. Then.. I drop my dps for healing until my mp gets back to about 80% then I'll dps again. And dps.. Do what you do best. Flame em if you want that's just how I play. And so far. No one has bothered to contradict my style. If it works for you. Go for it. I just wish this whole toxicity of put your balls to the walls for dps would stop.

[HyoMinPark]

i really should stop looking at these threads when I see um. They just... aggravate the unholy hell out of me. I can tank with out tank stance... Tank buster, WHAP. What the hell you stupid healer how come you didn't heal me... You were hit by a tank buster when not in tank stance. Or, Tank grabs lots of mobs and dies because as a healer I have to wait until tank has command of aggro before I do anything or... OOPS. I died by trying to keep the tank alive... STUPID HEALER WHY DIDN'T YOU WAIT FOR ME TO GET AGGRO. You had less then 20% health left. I didn't have a choice but to bene you. I been on every side of this argument. Job comes first. Everything else secondary. If the healer is having a hard time keeping you, THE TANK, alive while you decide to stroke your micro sized E-pen. Put tank stance on. Healers. Find a compromise. If their's a lul in damage being delt do a bit of dps. rather have mp incase the shit hits the fan. Dps... Go nuts. Do what you do best.

I mean, you can take tankbusters outside of tank stance—you just need to pop a cooldown and not take it naked with zero mitigation. Tankbusters will still down tanks IN TANK STANCE if they don’t use a cooldown for it. Same thing while pulling: use your cooldowns.. Mass pulls are honestly the only time where tank stance is actually useful and/or needed. For bosses, not so much. And even then, you need to use your cooldowns in addition to tank stance for mass pulls. Tank stance alone will not save you.

Literally none of these discussions involve demanding players sacrifice the role’s primary job (i.e., tanks sacrificing tanking/cooldowns for DPS, healers sacrificing healing for DPS); they just ask that you at least try to do more than the absolute minimum (or, in the case of healer DPS, Always Be Casting as opposed to standing around idle for extended periods of time).

[Misurugi]

Perhaps I didn't fully word it correctly but. Vast majority of the time I run into superman tanks they don't feel the need to use CDs. Gotta increase that dps all the way. And, I have ran into quite alot of ppl who believe that yes.. you should sacrifice for more dps to make it as fast as possible. Them... I tend to get kicked out of those grps. I try to contribute as much as I can. But only as much as I'm able to with out taking away my cushion.

[HyoMinPark]

Perhaps I didn't fully word it correctly but. Vast majority of the time I run into superman tanks they don't feel the need to use CDs. gotta increase that dps all the way.

That’s just poor play; has nothing to do with a DPS-only mentality. And people that are pro-tanks dropping stance will still say that tanks that refuse to use their defensive cooldowns are as dumb as a box of rocks when they say:

“Why did I die?”
“Did you use a cooldown?”
“No.”
“Then that’s why.”

[SenorPatty]

That’s just poor play; has nothing to do with a DPS-only mentality. And people that are pro-tanks dropping stance will still say that tanks that refuse to use their defensive cooldowns are as dumb as a box of rocks when they say:

“Why did I die?”
“Did you use a cooldown?”
“I don't need it for this. This isn't (insert raid here).”
“Then that’s why.”

Fixed for realism.

[HyoMinPark]

Fixed for realism.

The sad(der) reality:
Even in raids, there are tanks that still don’t use their cooldowns.

[HoodRat]

The sad(der) reality:
Even in raids, there are tanks that still don’t use their cooldowns.

Was trying to help a friend with an o2s weekly a couple weeks ago. The other tank that joined was a turtle pld that insisted on pulling for some reason, and literally popped 0 cds. They died on every evil sphere and then rage quit along with one of the healers.

[Aster_E]

That’s just poor play; has nothing to do with a DPS-only mentality. And people that are pro-tanks dropping stance will still say that tanks that refuse to use their defensive cooldowns are as dumb as a box of rocks when they say:

“Why did I die?”
“Did you use a cooldown?”
“No.”
“Then that’s why.”

Or, my personal favorite that I've seen a lot of...

"Why did I die? You're a bad healer!"
"You didn't use cooldowns."
"Yes I did!"
"No, no you literally did not."

[TouchandFeel]

Or, my personal favorite that I've seen a lot of...

"Why did I die? You're a bad healer!"
"You didn't use cooldowns."
"Yes I did!"
"No, no you literally did not."

I've been on the opposite side of that coin as a tank.

Healer: Lol, you died, why didn't you use any cooldowns!
Me: I did, I used every single one. Why did you not cast a single heal, you just stood there.
Healer: I shouldn't need to, you're too squishy.
Me: What? How so?
Healer: OMG! No wonder you are so squishy, you slotted STR in your accessories instead of VIT! Noob!
Me: *facepalm*

This was in a recent Expert Roulette.

[Aster_E]

I've been on the opposite side of that coin as a tank.

Healer: Lol, you died, why didn't you use any cooldowns!
Me: I did, I used every single one. Why did you not cast a single heal, you just stood there.
Healer: I shouldn't need to, you're too squishy.
Me: What? How so?
Healer: OMG! No wonder you are so squishy, you slotted STR in your accessories instead of VIT! Noob!
Me: *facepalm*

This was in a recent Expert Roulette.

True, I have also seen healers like this who simply don't want to do their job at all when it comes to, you know, actually healing, so they lay the blame on tanks. I once saw screenshots posted by my fc leader where she had such a healer during Sus (I forget if nm or Ex). Then that healer blew the LB when everyone was alive, basically responding with a "there, lol happy?"

Those are always fun, as are Warriors who choose to stay in Deliverance through a relevant raid when only one healer is alive (and already busy keeping survivors alive and rezzing) due to people botching mechanics. Like, dude, take the damage mitigation for a moment or two until we're all back on our feet and we know the off-healer can contribute again. You're making the recovery harder than necessary.