Tank dps harrasment

[Avatre]

but I feel like judging someone by their fflogs is ignorant at best and disrespectful when that criticism isn't explicitly invited.

I will 100% agree with you on that. I've looked at my FFlogs, and there is barely anything(granted, I don't do savage raids where most parsing does happen) for any of the trials/raids that I do run.

Who's to say that what's on FFlogs is the most current stuff? Or that people only uploaded ones where they themselves looked godly compared to others who may have had something distracting them?

I agree it can be a useful tool, but using it as indisputable proof that someone isn't that great of a player is back asswards.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I vehemently agree with the whole rest of your post but I feel like judging someone by their fflogs is ignorant at best and disrespectful when that criticism isn't explicitly invited. I mean good for you, you're likely the better tank here, but at the same time with a comment like this I would be hesitant to want to party with you. You aren't running Savage with this guy.

Something has to be said for tact.

Again I very much agree with your overall message, I just don't feel okay with reducing someone to their fflogs.

If I missed where the quoted person brought up logs or something I apologize.

I didn't reduce him to his logs. I looked at them, analyzed them, and coupled with his post; I was able to reach a conclusion. Logs do not lie. They give all the context one needs if one bothers to look.

Was my conclusion wrong? He gave bad information, and I gave context as to why his information was not worthwhile.

Who's to say that what's on FFlogs is the most current stuff? Or that people only uploaded ones where they themselves looked godly compared to others who may have had something distracting them?

The log is to say because it flat out tells you it is current. You would have known this if you had ever used it.

Logs don't make excuses. Players do. You would also know that logs main splash shows your historical best, so unless you're constantly "distracted" it will always show your best.

I agree it can be a useful tool, but using it as indisputable proof that someone isn't that great of a player is back asswards.

How is it ass backwards? What about my conclusion was wrong? What about his log today is incorrect so we can contact the site to fix it?

[MoroMurasaki]

I didn't reduce him to his logs. I looked at them, analyzed them, and coupled with his post; I was able to reach a conclusion. Logs do not lie. They give all the context one needs if one bothers to look.

We have no way to know if your conclusion is correct because we haven't played with him. We dont know his group. We don't (and can't possibly) have the full context of any log on there.


Honestly despite all my posts in supoort of tanks being expected to stance dance and my frankly prolific rants about healer DPS I would rather have nice people who play suboptimally in my group than a tank with great DPS who is so full of themself they think they can accurately compare their performance to someone else's without ever olaying together.

Fflogs is great. ACT is great. I argue in favor of these things regularly and am just as regularly called a psycho elitist for sharing my views. You seem to be the kind of person those contrarians are attempting to paint me as, someone who puts so much stock in those numbers that nothing else matters.

The idea that you think you can dismiss someone (who I happen to also disagree with) on the basis of their fflogs page is asinine and just plain rude.