New DPS Job Idea - Time Mage!

[Eloah]

It paints them as the same job with different coat of paint, to be honest. They even outright state a few times that the 6 constellations are the same as the elemental representations Geomancers use. E.g. geomancer's Tree of the earth is equivalent to astrologian's bole, etc. The only thing different about them aside from the heavenly energy vs earthly energy (which was also explicitly stated by the npcs in the quest as feeling similar) is that Geomancers don't currently have the same spell effects, which itself is not really special at all since neither did the Ishgardian astrologers until the Sharlayans showed them the power that they were missing out on. It's pretty darn clear cut to me that Ishgardian Astrologers = Sharlayan Astrologians = Kugane Geomancers.

While what you say has some credence, it is not altogether accurate. True there are similarities true: 6 constellations/6 elements, heavenly energy/terrestrial energy, time & space/earth & water, but fundamentally that's comparing apples and oranges; they are both fruits but not the same thing. The different coat of paint concept you described is nothing new, look at superheros and their abilities; one may use fire another ice, etc, look at television shows, cop shows, dramas, comedies, even real life; if you have a sibling(s), together aren't you classified as your parents children, but are you the same? A concept that is especially true for twins/triplets. The only thing that the quests do is paint Geomancers as protectors. Now protection can have a variety of interpretations, but within the context of the game that could either mean a healer or a tank, though it doesn't outright mean a DPS is not possible either. Plus as Valdegarde mentioned there could be a sub sect or an entirely different sect that we'll learn from in the future; they did this with both Machinist and Astrologian, and to a lesser degree Red Mage.

And then players used ninjas to tank via Utsusemi and samurai as DPS because Seigan and Third Eye were bad for being a main tank? And then blue mages were made so overpowered that they could do anything without drawing their swords at all, including tank?

So you see my point then.

[Ceallach]

So you see my point then.

But I feel like you aren't seeing mine. Look at all the jobs that are in the game right now. None of them deviate very far at all from their original versions. You'd have a better point to make if we had machinist as a tank or something like that, but actually the jobs are quite within what they've always done. Literally the only Disciple of War tank left that there could be is the viking, and that would have to have a play style similar to Exdeath in the Dissidia series (block and counter using shields only) to avoid being too close to the warrior. You can't have a job that plays just like another job, which is probably why we won't have a healer geomancer; as Mhaeric pointed out, it would just be another astrologian.

[Eloah]

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I see your point just fine. But it's been shown to you again and again that any job could be implimented anyway the developers see fit. The point is if the devs want to do it, they can and they will.

[Ceallach]

I see your point just fine. But it's been shown to you again and again that any job could be implimented anyway the developers see fit. The point is if the devs want to do it, they can and they will.

The devs respect the lore of the game too much to do something like make machinist a healer. You're ignoring that.

[Eloah]

The devs respect the lore of the game too much to do something like make machinist a healer. You're ignoring that.

I'm out, I've hijacked this thread enough. You wont see what others have shared, and that's fine. But this thread should get back on track to what it's supposed to be about. Time Mage and our thoughs on it.

[Ceallach]

You won't see what others have shared, and that's fine.

But I did. You're the one who refuses to understand things. Sheesh...

[Valdegarde]

The devs respect the lore of the game too much to do something like make machinist a healer. You're ignoring that.

I don't want to get into a silly argument, but I don't care for misinformation either. The devs were extremely close to making Machinist a healer using the Chemist class from FFT as a base with throw item-like abilities. Take that how you will.

[Sylvain]

Really?
Any source I'm super curious about that

[Eloah]

Really?
Any source I'm super curious about that

it was at at Pax East panel regarding the new jobs, and was a "side" comment, but it was mentioned. Here is a link to the Primagames info page.

And here is an exert if you can't access the page.

Dark Knight is the new tanking job, Astrologian is the new healing job and Machinist is a new ranged damage dealer (DPS) job. There was a time when Samurai was in consideration as the new tank, and Astrologian was going to be a Chemist or carry a gun, but that changed during the course of development. All three new jobs have a unique design, and while we still don't have a lot of details on how they'll play, we can take a look at what we know and determine a few things.

It does say "Astrologian" was going to be a Chemist or carry a gun, but that is just indicating thoughts about the "healer" class idea, before it was separated into Astrologian and Machinist.

[Mhaeric]

While what you say has some credence, it is not altogether accurate. True there are similarities true: 6 constellations/6 elements, heavenly energy/terrestrial energy, time & space/earth & water, but fundamentally that's comparing apples and oranges; they are both fruits but not the same thing. The different coat of paint concept you described is nothing new, look at superheros and their abilities; one may use fire another ice, etc, look at television shows, cop shows, dramas, comedies, even real life; if you have a sibling(s), together aren't you classified as your parents children, but are you the same? A concept that is especially true for twins/triplets. The only thing that the quests do is paint Geomancers as protectors. Now protection can have a variety of interpretations, but within the context of the game that could either mean a healer or a tank, though it doesn't outright mean a DPS is not possible either. Plus as Valdegarde mentioned there could be a sub sect or an entirely different sect that we'll learn from in the future; they did this with both Machinist and Astrologian, and to a lesser degree Red Mage.

Did you even do the 60+ quests? The whole story was about how Astrologian and Geomancer were the same thing underneath the hood. It even started out with the main actor's arrogance that they couldn't possibly be the same and was quickly proven wrong. Could the Geomancer be released as something completely different down the road? Anything is possible, but it's a huge stretch of logic to get there from what we have now.