Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

[TheAngelneer]

At this point it has nothing to do with a mindset and it seems like you're desperately making a point nobody cares about. Every single person who posted in reply to that post was well aware that you cannot tank "every" mob, but the poster in question was not talking about "every" mob in the literal sense, but instead referring to a majority. It implied that a tank can simply let mobs that are supposed to be tanked run loose, just because. The same way they mentioned that DPS don't exist only to optimize damage which...is exactly what they exist for. Stop trying to be coy and act as if people genuinely meant every mob in the game including ones without aggro tables and ones that die too quickly to matter.

Maybe cut it out with the pedantic BS and the condescending attitude too, yeah?

So...

You just can't be stuck on this whole idea that the tank's job is always to pick up aggro on every mob

Also yes it is a tank's job to have aggro on every mob. I cannot even believe this is up for debate. It's literally what the role was designed to do.

Uh... that is their whole job. If DPS aren't maximizing DPS and tanks are letting aggro fly all over the place, what's the point of either? What else are they supposed to even do?

This is one of the most disappointing things I've ever read. It actually hurts reading this.

It IS the tank’s job to ALWAYS have hate on ALL mobs. That is literally what the job is designed to do: TANK THINGS.

This argument stemmed from someone saying that players needed to “get out of the mindset” that it was the tank’s job to hold aggro on every mob, when that is, in fact, their job. Even mobs where DPS can reliably tank it

Your point again?

[Oscura]

So...Your point again?

If you put me in a party and the tank has i120 gear in a Lv70 dungeon, I will approach it like a 3-player run with no tank and with one of the DPS (in this case the poorly-geared tank) getting hit all the time.

In fact, for some older bosses, it should theoretically be possible for two physical ranged DPS to duo it on synced mode by "bouncing" the boss (continuously alternating who takes aggro so the boss keeps running back and forth instead of actually attacking). Getting PUGs to pull off that kind of strategy is virtually impossible, though I have cleared a few of the more difficult all-DPS runs with PUGs by gaining a few extra seconds of uptime at the start of the fight via bouncing.

Read the entire context of the post people are replying to next time. They were talking even in the context of tankless situations or with undergeared or flat out useless tanks who cannot hold hate at all.

Instead of being nitpicky, we could always get everyone to edit their post to just say "it is their job to always have hate on all mobs when necessary/possible." Just to satisfy you. For the record, by the way, stuff like shisui where the poor melee might lose uptime is not a valid excuse, because optimizing for DPS is not actually part of a tank's job description. A tank's job description is simply to hold hate whenever possible and make sure that DPS and healers take as little single target damage as possible. Arguing about DPS optimization is completely meaningless, because optimization is not the "bare minimum" or bare requirements of the job.

You are just coming off as incredibly whiny, and the argument you are making is for little more than the self satisfaction of telling people they're wrong. You are not trying to teach anyone something important, and you are simply shouting about how people had poor wording and therefore that is inexcusable.