Quote Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles View Post
If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer does super low DPS and takes 35 minutes

-OR-

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer help with DPS and takes 15 minutes

WHICH ONES BETTER?

I hate this whole false dichotomy where it's portrayed as only possible for a Healer or Tank to do their jobs if they completely neglect DPSing. There are PLENTY of talented Healers\Tanks who do both just fine. If you aren't one, it isn't on the community to pat you on the head and give you points for trying, it's on you to improve.

Or be stubborn and childish and drop party. Honestly, do that. Chances are we'll get a better replacement.
Some people just aren't that good, or can't get better. That is why there is casual content and hardcore content. What bothers me is when some raiders expect people in casual content to have the same hardcore drive as they do. Would I prefer a 15 minute Expert run over a 35 minute one? Of course. Am I going to throw a fit that DF threw me in with "filthy casuals" and prompted a longer run? No. Not at all. Because Expert is casual content. I push myself when and where I can, but I not going to demand raid-level play in casual content. Now, if I see someone standing around doing absolutely nothing, I might say something. But that's all it would be. Saying something, nicely. But I will not require a raider's drive out of them. Now, if we're talking EX or Savage, then yes, I'll be more critical and have higher expectations of those around me.

Casual content is for casuals. Some people cannot reach the drive of raiders, and it's unfair to expect them to. If I PUG casual content and pull teammates that are highly geared and extremely effective, I consider that a bonus, not the baseline.