Tank dps harrasment

[aesteval]

People have to want to be helped in order to be helped. In this situation, OP doesn't want help improving his numbers. If he wanted that he would have asked or looked up any number of guides to improving tank DPS. Instead, he would rather complain on a forum and make his logs private.

Not the tangent that I've started to discuss. Good day, goodbye.

[KaivaC]

People have to want to be helped in order to be helped. In this situation, OP doesn't want help improving his numbers. If he wanted that he would have asked or looked up any number of guides to improving tank DPS. Instead, he would rather complain on a forum and make his logs private.

Because 1) OP wasn't asking for help in improvement in the first place.

2) This wasn't a post about Savage/Ex content that you've brought up multiple times. Yes, it was mentioned, and it has been said many times that the PF has their rules - but the majority of the OPs post was about dungeons/hunts - things that don't really require a tank to try to put up huge numbers.

3) As you said, if he/she wanted the help, they would've asked for the help. This wasn't about improving tank DPS at all.

4) OP probably didn't want to be parsed in the first place...they made it clear that they had no idea that their logs had been updated. If somebody doesn't want to be parsed, there is nothing wrong with getting rid of logs, especially if its without consent/approval/knowledge. OP has made it clear that it's affecting their play in casual content. This little meta about tank DPS doesn't belong in casual content - that should stay in the endgame content and possibly the expert dungeons, where that extra DPS actually does count for something.

[HoodRat]

This little meta about tank DPS doesn't belong in casual content

Why doesn't it? If you ask me, the problem isn't that people aren't top 10% of their class, the problem is that people are unwilling to give the small amount of effort it takes to do more than the bare minimum. And if you can't do more than the bare minimum in casual content, why should people expect you to be successful in harder content?

People CANNOT force you to play a way you don't want to play.

This is a two way street. Yes, you cannot force people to play the way you want. However, you also cannot force people to accept your way of play either.

[KaivaC]

Why doesn't it? If you ask me, the problem isn't that people aren't top 10% of their class, the problem is that people are unwilling to give the small amount of effort it takes to do more than the bare minimum. And if you can't do more than the bare minimum in casual content, why should people expect you to be successful in harder content?

I hear what you're saying, but nobody's talking about doing the bare minimum. Unless you're suggesting that in casual content, staying in tank stance equates nothing but bare minimum. Because pulling mobs still requires the tank to spam some enmity combos and AOEs to keep their hate. There are a lot of players who are not comfortable stance dancing - especially when it comes to duty finder PUGs. You don't know that the healer can keep you alive. Hell, there aren't many groups who can handle the first big Bardam's Mettle pull before the first set of stone adds while in DPS stance. But regardless, this is getting away from the core of the original subject.

[Xerek]

Well, given I have nine clears of O1S and five of O2S and exactly two logs up apparently, that already shows me the site is incomplete. I wonder which two it recorded, my first two? If so, that explains a lot. As I noted before, definately not getting the full picture. Also, if FFLogs shows large gaps where I wasn't doing anything...yeah, definately not my later runs. XD

But, according to FFLogs, I have only two runs and am a terrible AST? Kinda...really makes my point for me.

[Estelle9lives]

Well, given I have nine clears of O1S and five of O2S and exactly two logs up apparently, that already shows me the site is incomplete. I wonder which two it recorded, my first two? If so, that explains a lot. As I noted before, definately not getting the full picture. Also, if FFLogs shows large gaps where I wasn't doing anything...yeah, definately not my later runs. XD

But, according to FFLogs, I have only two runs and am a terrible AST? Kinda...really makes my point for me.

Nope, the log in question was dated one week ago.

Their review wasn't entirely accurate though. You spent more globals healing than the WHM, and largely outhealed them (although there was no need to heal so much on O1S, I can understand wanting to play safe). Here's a rough breakdown:

Your GCDs spent healing: 58 / OGCDs spent healing: 8
WHM GCDs spent healing: 17 / OGCDs spent healing: 20 (23 if you count Benison)

One thing you can work on is your CPM/Active time. You spent almost 1/3 of the fight not executing any actions, whereas the WHM had 97% active time. Keeping your GCD rolling is really important to improve how you perform in this game.

[HoodRat]

Their review wasn't entirely accurate though. You spent more globals healing than the WHM, and largely outhealed them (although there was no need to heal so much on O1S, I can understand wanting to play safe).

You're right, guess I must have misread something. Also, do you know what the active% under healing means? I thought it meant something like how much of the instance the player spent healing, but I'm 100% sure.

[Xerek]

Nope, the log in question was dated one week ago.

Their review wasn't entirely accurate though. You spent more globals healing than the WHM, and largely outhealed them (although there was no need to heal so much on O1S, I can understand wanting to play safe). Here's a rough breakdown:

Your GCDs spent healing: 58 / OGCDs spent healing: 8
WHM GCDs spent healing: 17 / OGCDs spent healing: 20 (23 if you count Benison)

One thing you can work on is your CPM/Active time. You spent almost 1/3 of the fight not executing any actions, whereas the WHM had 97% active time. Keeping your GCD rolling is really important to improve how you perform in this game.

Thanks for that. I suppose I should clarify, or at least provide a touch more detail after rereading my post. To be clear, I'm just getting started raiding. Fifteen clears combined for O1S and O2S is barely baby steps. And I will openly admit I have room for improvement. If it sounded like I was saying I was playing at veteran-raider levels and that FFLogs would show me as scrub, that was not what I intended. My point was simply that the situation can influence things in ways the numbers don't reflect. I'll admit I do hesitate at times because I PUG these fights. I can't fully trust anyone, especially at first, and I'm still in pre-4.0 mindset where my instinct is that I can't DPS in brief windows because any one of my PUG-mates could need immediate healing, an outdated mindset brought about by Cleric Stance. I can say with 100% certainty my numbers would be far better were I in a static that I ran those fourteen clears with. I know when I run other content with my FC it's like night and day what I can comfortable weave in. But FFLogs doesn't (and can't) note if that run was PUGed or not. And that all goes back to what I initially said (and others have), that as a tool for self-improvement, FFLogs can be quite handy. Used as an absolute arbiter of the ability of someone else, especially for the purpose of judgement and harassment, it's far from perfect.

...though I still wonder why only logs for four our of fourteen clears are up. Actually, I'm only assuming the four posted logs are clears. Given that I PUG it, there have been a number of...well...let's just say, *not* clears. Also, thank you Estelle, for giving me something to look at going forward.

Fflogs only record what people parse and upload. If you want your logs to be more accurate and show all your clears you will either need to upload them yourself or play with a friend who will.

Oh. Well, that answers that, then. One less mystery in the world, thanks!

[Estelle9lives]

You're right, guess I must have misread something. Also, do you know what the active% under healing means? I thought it meant something like how much of the instance the player spent healing, but I'm 100% sure.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's the active % of your actual active time (not the whole encounter) that had any effect on healing. This is effected by OGCDs and regens as well.

...Also, thank you Estelle, for giving me something to look at going forward.

No problem! And yes, I can understand the hesitation on DPSing if you're a new raiding healer. I have been raiding since Final Coil and this was my first tier as a full on healer main, and it still took me quite a bit to get to a level where I was satisfied with my performance. The thing about healing in this game is that there is no random pattern of damage, once you know what is coming and how much HP people need to survive, you can fill all those gaps with DPS spells.

For example: O1S Roar > Roar into Charybdis > Roar. People only need HP to survive the first two Roars, it makes no difference if the party gets really low before the Charybdis (as that spell reduces everyone to critical HP regardless), so assuming people had enough HP from the start, both healers can spend the whole time DPSing. GCD healing isn't even require if you have an AST+SCH combo (Earthly Star + Indom completely neutralizes Charybdis). When I do Savage runs in PF for fun, I see a lot of healers trying to desperately top people off after these first two Roars.

This kind of mindset and confidence to follow the ABC rule (always be casting) will come with time.

[NoctusT]

Well, given I have nine clears of O1S and five of O2S and exactly two logs up apparently, that already shows me the site is incomplete. I wonder which two it recorded, my first two? If so, that explains a lot. As I noted before, definately not getting the full picture. Also, if FFLogs shows large gaps where I wasn't doing anything...yeah, definately not my later runs. XD

But, according to FFLogs, I have only two runs and am a terrible AST? Kinda...really makes my point for me.

According to FFLogs - you have 2 runs uploaded. Saying that you are a terrible ast is drawing meaning from the data. The site itself is not saying that you are bad, it just says "this is how you did and this is the data from the run". "This is where your damage is compared to the other logs that have been uploaded for this particular fight." The only person here who's saying you're bad is you. Most here just disagree with your statement that we're not getting the full picture from fflogs not really true. Also please remember that you're the one who invited people to check your logs and that you're the one who brought them up.

I'm sure that your casts-per-minute have improved with later clears. We were just trying to articulate that fflogs has a lot of information on it that you can use provided that you know how to look for it. Which most of us dont. A good place to get started would be The Moogle Post website that recently had an article covering the basics on how to use fflogs. The site itself is not incomplete. It merely shows the data that gets uploaded to it. If you want to see how you're doing now, then you can just ask people in your party to upload the stuff. They might not of course, but if you're on PS4 like me that's really the only choice.