Lets speak about Mentor's.

[Joe777]

And when the party refuses to listen after two wipes, do we still have to stay? When they begin verbally abusing us for trying to explain the fight, are we supposed to take it? And that's ahead of the simple fact that mentors are people and players like you and I never saw where these expectations of mentors came from. They quit, they eat the penalty like everyone else and if SE thought a harsher penalty was viable they'd have implemented it - they didn't. This is one dead horse you're trying to beat up, really.

Except I said nothing about abandons after wipes. Since you brought it up though, if a mentor does leave after only 2 wipes and it did indeed look like the group was making progress, or simply did nothing to try to help the group not wipe, then they are also no true mentor. I mean if a mentor is gonna quit so easily just because of how a pug is doing they're better off running with a static, whereas a true mentor would put in far more effort to help the pug through, provided the ones having trouble actually tried to improve.

[BillyKaplan]

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And when SE agrees with you, we can continue this discussion. But let's not delude ourselves about why people are even running the roulette to think there's room to make such demands of them. We're not getting paid. We get penalized if we leave. We get mistreated more often than not. And it's funny you brought up a static because if anyone should do it, it's the sprouts who queued directly and got us mentors in that extreme trial in the first place.

[Joe777]

And it's funny you brought up a static because if anyone should do it, it's the sprouts who queued directly and got us mentors in that extreme trial in the first place.

The whole purpose of the Mentor Roulette is so mentors have another roulette they can queue for that lets them help out anyone new to any duty in the game. The 2-seater is the motivation for those that don't queue for that reason. Once they have it they probably never queue again. Other mentors likely still queue for it for the xp as need be, provided they aren't already max level in which case queueing for it means they actually want to help people, or are bored. What you just said though is quite self-centered and is not something a true mentor would say. A crown is a crown, sure, but those that wear it usually try to be good mentors. Those that do not care about being a mentor tend to hide it. If you have a crown showing and aren't actually mentoring then you're probably using it as a status symbol, which is foolish at this point.

Bottom line is: players make the crown what it is, not Square Enix. Square Enix simply controls who can have one, but let everyone get a chance to have one. It all comes down to netiquette. Personally, I think the Mentor System is a bit lacking in actual Mentor Capabilities, such as the freedom to sync your level down to a party member's anytime anywhere in the open world for example.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

If you're talking about what I suggested, let me clarify. When I became a mentor, the requirement was to have completed the level 60 job quest of one tank job, one healer job, and one dps job. That requirement hasn't changed with SB despite the max level now being 70, and honestly I'm amazed it hasn't. Especially with job potions, this requirement staying the way it was is dangerous.

Job potions change nothing because getting 60 in all 3 roles is not the only requirement. You also need 1000 dungeons and 300 commendations. So no yet again job potions hasn't made the world end.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Regarding mentors and dutys i've done a lot of mentor roulette but ...

I have never seen a ramuh win or even a team make it past add phase, because players run it blind hopeing for carry or are underestimating those fights.

Doing ex trials or savage dutys you lose your cuddle points. And yes i've tried explaining those fights even made macros but if you roll them ppl are like "do i need to read that?" No you dont but i also have the right to eat penalty and craft.

Mentors are human a lot are bad yea but if not for them you would not even have got that queue. Because mentor roulette fills up the party that has been waiting the longest no matter which.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Another thing you guys need to read up on what mentor roulette is. Mentor roulette is NOT just for novices I've had plenty of duties where there has been NO leafs. It's for duties that have been waiting a long time to enter regardless if they are newbie or not.

[Kurando]

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Of course, although the vast majority of anything you get through Mentor Roulette will no doubt group you up with someone doing it for first time whether they are a novice or not, and duties struggling to find the numbers (you would however never group up with a group made entirely of mentors). I've gotten Skalla a couple of times through this so actual experience of the player isn't the issue, but it's certain mentors treating it as their own personal roulette that can often be a downer, especially if they insta leave or rage quit without offering any degree of assistance.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

There are no checks for new players in mentor roulette, and if its not a ex primal then usually there are no sprouts ... i had mentor roulettes in which 2 others did their 50/60 roulette ... the party that waits longest gets the mentors. A smart move of SE to reduce overall que times

If you are put into a 3rd ex primal after wipeing for an hour each on the first 2 remember theres a limit each player has we are humans

[BillyKaplan]

The whole purpose of the Mentor Roulette is so mentors have another roulette they can queue for that lets them help out anyone new to any duty in the game.

Mentor roulette is meant to help fill queues. We're supposed to help people get into Shiva ex, what we do in there is secondary especially given that this is the kind of content you should pf in the first place. Anything else you said regarding the roulette is your own interpretation and isn't defined by the game.
I mentored before I got the crown. I still mentor despite not running the roulette since SB. But why in tarnation should I queue for Shiva ex synced just because I'm a mentor? I'm a mentor, not a masochist. If I suffer through it it might as well be for the horse, and even the horse isn't worth a lot of it.

[Joe777]

Mentor roulette is meant to help fill queues. We're supposed to help people get into Shiva ex, what we do in there is secondary especially given that this is the kind of content you should pf in the first place. Anything else you said regarding the roulette is your own interpretation and isn't defined by the game.
I mentored before I got the crown. I still mentor despite not running the roulette since SB. But why in tarnation should I queue for Shiva ex synced just because I'm a mentor? I'm a mentor, not a masochist. If I suffer through it it might as well be for the horse, and even the horse isn't worth a lot of it.

So you're definition of a mentor is someone who will only help others if the reward is worth your time? Well I won't say you should change that ideal of yours because as a player it is your ideal to abide by, but that is far from how a true blue mentor should define themself. After all, we mentors help others because we want to, not for something in return. As for what you said about Mentor Roulette, well, that can apply to any roulette to be frank. However, it doesn't change the fact that Mentor Roulette queues you for what it does with the potential intent to help others clear it. After all, that is why everything in the game, even Guildhests, are part of it.