Lets speak about Mentor's.

[Joe777]

And when the party refuses to listen after two wipes, do we still have to stay? When they begin verbally abusing us for trying to explain the fight, are we supposed to take it? And that's ahead of the simple fact that mentors are people and players like you and I never saw where these expectations of mentors came from. They quit, they eat the penalty like everyone else and if SE thought a harsher penalty was viable they'd have implemented it - they didn't. This is one dead horse you're trying to beat up, really.

Except I said nothing about abandons after wipes. Since you brought it up though, if a mentor does leave after only 2 wipes and it did indeed look like the group was making progress, or simply did nothing to try to help the group not wipe, then they are also no true mentor. I mean if a mentor is gonna quit so easily just because of how a pug is doing they're better off running with a static, whereas a true mentor would put in far more effort to help the pug through, provided the ones having trouble actually tried to improve.