Built-in Parsers

[akaneakki]

you mean its basicly a cheat tool that does the work for you ^^

You are one of the biggest trolls on the forum and it if you want to trigger people, try harder.

[BigRed5392]

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no it isn;t false actually

i play a lot of content, and all i see is stuff snowball. I also ran a lot of content on jp server. Who play with a different mindset/playstyle rather then 1 person called out, the group is questioned, and they discuss what everyone could do better.

if the healer was having issues, where was the other healer? what was the other people in the group doing/not doing? why did you feel the need to replace rather then assist them at becoming better? also you replaced a healer, but look dps is now an issue, why? see it isn't just 1 person. You leaving a lot of context out.
group content= group fault. Everyone is responsible during each fight, 1 person doesn't make or break it takes everyone for it to snowball.

[BigRed5392]

FFlogs has a built in replay feature that allows you to essentially watch a reenactment of the fight, thus enabling to not only see when and what caused deaths but precisely how it led up to that moment. Furthermore, if a person is purposely being vindictive and letting people die, it'll show on their poor heal management. Put simply, FFlogs is exceptionally thorough when used properly.

I stated several times the tool if used well can be good.

and a SIMULATION of a fight is not the same, as watching the fight. party log needs to be taken into account.

its like trying ti simulate a chemical reaction on a pc and passing it off as tried and tested research. When you need physical evidence.

[BigRed5392]

Parser on a dummy would been okay if the dummy had mechanics, but they don't so it would be useless.


I agree, I'm waiting for players to quote where we mention that plus being toxic againt's others with dps numbers. Then when they done, I'll quote how many people been toxic without parser on this forum.

i did say it goes both ways, but i've seen ppl link other peoples fflogs in fights over content, how good jobs are. Or in petty disagreements to showcase "you you suck stop talking".

stop just cherry picking my posts lol. read the full post in all context. And add more details on how 1 player can be at fault in group content. you left a lot out.

you guys just love to pick fights

[HyoMinPark]

no it isn;t false actually

i play a lot of content, and all i see is stuff snowball. I also ran a lot of content on jp server. Who play with a different mindset/playstyle rather then 1 person called out, the group is questioned, and they discuss what everyone could do better.

if the healer was having issues, where was the other healer? what was the other people in the group doing/not doing? why did you feel the need to replace rather then assist them at becoming better? also you replaced a healer, but look dps is now an issue, why? see it isn't just 1 person. You leaving a lot of context out.
group content= group fault. Everyone is responsible during each fight, 1 person doesn't make or break it takes everyone for it to snowball.

Where was our other healer? Trying to solo heal--and considering they were a SCH, not the best choice when it comes to solo-healing V3S. As for the rDPS, we were hitting 1% enrage--not enough to say the 4 DPS were holding back the entire group. Cleaned up a few mechanics (mainly the Iron Giant/Ninja and after) and we cleared.

It is entirely false to assume that one person and one person alone cannot be the reason a group cannot clear. Tank fails to use CDs, dies to every tankbuster, and boss runs around destroying the rest of the group? The tank is at fault for not properly utilizing their kit. The DPS would not have been killed by the boss if the tank had not died due to poor mitigation. Healer not keeping up with healing demands, and half the raid dies to unavoidable AOE damage due to not being topped off? Again, how is that the group's fault?

Do you do Savage content? If not, then why are you trying to speak on behalf of Savage Raiders? Or trying to discuss how hard a piece of content is, or who is and isn't at fault when you don't do the content? I may have tuned out for a bit of this thread, but the original discussion was about using built-in parsers in content where they actually matter (Ultimate, Savage, and Ex trials). If you don't do any of that content, why do you care if parsers are used in them or not?

You talk about the "pro-parser" crowd being the toxic ones, but you aren't being any better by making sweeping generalizations about them.

[dotsforlife]

group content= group fault. Everyone is responsible during each fight, 1 person doesn't make or break it takes everyone for it to snowball.

While this certainly can be the case at times, you can't just make a blanket statement like this. It simply isn't how it is every time. If everyone is executing their job properly except one guy who keeps eating aoe's, too slow to adjusting, etc, that's entirely his/her fault. You are correct to say that it has a snowball effect however, but it is due to the player(s) that keep messing up.

Everyone has their role in a group. If a person can't meet their role, they get replaced. That's how it is with anything in life, be it ingame or otherwise.

[akaneakki]

i did say it goes both ways, but i've seen ppl link other peoples fflogs in fights over content, how good jobs are. Or in petty disagreements to showcase "you you suck stop talking".

stop just cherry picking my posts lol. read the full post in all context. And add more details on how 1 player can be at fault in group content. you left a lot out.

you guys just love to pick fights

How do we love to pick fights when you just make up things people say? If you really have proof for it, then you can show us. How is it picking fights when you just start making up something ofc, until proven.

[Lambdafish]

And add more details on how 1 player can be at fault in group content. you left a lot out

I had to disband an O2S run the other day because the BLM was almost being outDPSed by the SCH and we kept hitting enrage. While it is group content, the rest of the group should not have to (if it is even possible) pick up the slack from that. We would have had no idea and kept beating at it without a parser. Oh, and this was weekly clear, and the BLM had the clear (presumably on another job) before you say that I'm not letting the BLM improve.

[Dualgunner]

i did say it goes both ways, but i've seen ppl link other peoples fflogs in fights over content, how good jobs are. Or in petty disagreements to showcase "you you suck stop talking"

I've seen the former, done it a few times myself but that isn't using fflogs to harass a person, its displaying data points to back up an argument.

The latter is an argument tactic calling into question the authority and qualifications one has to speak. For instance, it may feel a little disingenuous when X says that DRG is bar none the easiest job ever and he could do it in his sleep, but he only has 5% on the fflogs in his three v1s kills and nothing besides. If it makes you feel better people extend this to levels as well: seen plenty of people calling others out for speaking with supposed authority on a job they haven't leveled.

Its a lot like a college paper come to think of it. If you don't have the credentials to prove you know what you're talking about, you have to cite someone who does.

[Dzian]

Parsers only working on training dummies would level the field for the console players, yes. Assuming you mean to break ACT and any other 3rd party parsers in the process.

It'd really piss of most the pro parser crowd though honestly.

As far as training dummies go the playing field is already level. You don't need a parser. If you can stomp that dummy in 2:50 and then next time stomp it in 2:30 That is a clearly visible and measurable improvement.
Like wise if you can smash it in 2:50 AND next time the 3 minutes us up while the dummy still has 3% health it's a clearly visible and measurable decrease in your performance..

Just because there no actual fps number doesn't mean you can't accurately measure or compare your performance