Built-in Parsers

[DeaconMoore]

I get that you are anti-parsing

I never once have said I'm anti-parsing. I do want an official in-game parser. It would be awesome. 3rd party parsers are notorious for not seeing everything.

What I don't care for is the dishonesty about their actual usage.

[Oscura]

I never once have said I'm anti-parsing. I do want an official in-game parser. It would be awesome. 3rd party parsers are notorious for not seeing everything.

What I don't care for is the dishonesty about their actual usage.

Well I'm sorry for making assumptions, then.

However, there is nothing dishonest about saying specifically what one would use it for personally though. There is also nothing dishonest about what one thinks it would be used for. There are just as many people who recall from WoW, apparently the only example in the world, both parsers being used in a "toxic" manner and those who remember it going over pretty smoothly. It all depends on who you ask.

Like when you said that using parsers in battle is only to kick people or judge people. For me, that's not true. I specifically do it to improve how I play the game and determine weaker points in the fight for myself, and nothing more. Then I attempt to improve. I just do not care enough about other people to make a fuss about them. They are irrelevant.

[DeaconMoore]

Well I'm sorry for making assumptions, then.

However, there is nothing dishonest about saying specifically what one would use it for personally though. There is also nothing dishonest about what one thinks it would be used for. There are just as many people who recall from WoW, apparently the only example in the world, both parsers being used in a "toxic" manner and those who remember it going over pretty smoothly. It all depends on who you ask.

Like when you said that using parsers in battle is only to kick people or judge people. For me, that's not true. I specifically do it to improve how I play the game and determine weaker points in the fight for myself, and nothing more. Then I attempt to improve. I just do not care enough about other people to make a fuss about them. They are irrelevant.

Anyone telling you that parsers in their experience was only ever a smooth experience is either lying or didn't play that much of the game with parsers.

For you then I have to ask why you really feel the need for a parser in the fight? You should know intuitively when you mess up during the fight. I know from my own experiences for example my dps just went in the crapper after I popped my burst cooldowns and then am forced to immediately run or die. A parser isn't needed for that. Something like deadly boss mods that can give you timers and warnings about fight phase changes is what will really help you plan your ability usage and maximize your dps in the fight. All the parser would do for you is confirm what you should already know. Is this absolutely something that you need?

So, sorry, but yes, group parsers in fights are absolutely for making judgments.

[Oscura]

Anyone telling you that parsers in their experience was only ever a smooth experience is either lying or didn't play that much of the game with parsers.

For you then I have to ask why you really feel the need for a parser in the fight? You should know intuitively when you mess up during the fight. I know from my own experiences for example my dps just went in the crapper after I popped my burst cooldowns and then am forced to immediately run or die. A parser isn't needed for that. Something like deadly boss mods that can give you timers and warnings about fight phase changes is what will really help you plan your ability usage and maximize your dps in the fight. All the parser would do for you is confirm what you should already know. Is this absolutely something that you need?

So, sorry, but yes, group parsers in fights are absolutely for making judgments.

Okay. If you are willingly going to be close-minded then there's nothing more I can say to you. As for your question about "feeling the need," there is no need for anything. It is purely a desire. One can never argue about the need for a parser the same way one can't argue there is a need for housing. It is optional, and ultimately only a desire.

Everything you have stated is purely opinion, so please stop stating it as fact. "You should," "my own experiences," "confirm what you should already know," etc. All of these are 100% subjective and personal statements. There is nothing factual or even objective there. I do not need to justify myself to you and simultaneously my experiences are, quite clearly, completely different from yours.

Group parsers are not for "absolutely" making judgments, however, in your mind, they absolutely are.

[DeaconMoore]

Okay. If you are willingly going to be close-minded then there's nothing more I can say to you. As for your question about "feeling the need," there is no need for anything. It is purely a desire. One can never argue about the need for a parser the same way one can't argue there is a need for housing. It is optional, and ultimately only a desire.

Everything you have stated is purely opinion, so please stop stating it as fact. "You should," "my own experiences," "confirm what you should already know," etc. All of these are 100% subjective and personal statements. There is nothing factual or even objective there. I do not need to justify myself to you and simultaneously my experiences are, quite clearly, completely different from yours.

Group parsers are not for "absolutely" making judgments, however, in your mind, they absolutely are.

Go play WoW. Get a damage meter & deadly boss mods. Fight a raid boss with no addons. Fight a raid boss only using the damage meter a few times. Fight a different raid boss with deadly boss mods. I guarantee you'll do better on the boss with deadly boss mods than you do on the bosses without.

I'm not being closed minded, I'm just pointing out you would benefit from something like deadly boss mods. For you in your example, the parser is just patting you on the back. And I say this because every time you run a fight you should improve because you are learning from your mistakes during the previous fights. Practice makes perfect as they say. Deadly boss mods gives you a heads up on mechanics so you can better avoid making mistakes. A parser doesn't do this.

And I'm sorry, but you're just being naive if you think you aren't being judged on your parses.

[Oscura]

Go play WoW. Get a damage meter & deadly boss mods. Fight a raid boss with no addons. Fight a raid boss only using the damage meter a few times. Fight a different raid boss with deadly boss mods. I guarantee you'll do better on the boss with deadly boss mods than you do on the bosses without.

I'm not being closed minded, I'm just pointing out you would benefit from something like deadly boss mods. For you in your example, the parser is just patting you on the back. And I say this because every time you run a fight you should improve because you are learning from your mistakes during the previous fights. Practice makes perfect as they say. Deadly boss mods gives you a heads up on mechanics so you can better avoid making mistakes. A parser doesn't do this.

And I'm sorry, but you're just being naive if you think you aren't being judged on your parses.

You are now just repeating yourself and bringing up deadly boss mods, something that is completely irrelevant to the discussion of parsers and ultimately has no meaning to me because I do not need it. I don't need a crutch and I certainly don't need something to tell me how the fight works.

Also, I'm not being naive, as I never once stated I'm not being judged on my parses. I specifically said that it is, and I repeat, not "absolutely" for making judgments. Which it is not. I will continue to repeat that, because it is 100% true. Even so, to be incredibly curt about it, most of the players in this game are god awful, so I quite honestly don't care who wants to "judge." I didn't and don't even need a parser to tell me that either. I just keep to myself otherwise.

[Disappoint]

Anyone telling you that parsers in their experience was only ever a smooth experience is either lying or didn't play that much of the game with parsers...

...So, sorry, but yes, group parsers in fights are absolutely for making judgments.

I disagree, meters can be of use for the right reasons. When Legion launched I and many other outlaw rogues made use of simulations and meters to determine which buffs the RNG buff mechanic our class is based around are optimal for DPS. Further, it was determined when its appropriate to reroll and when a dice roll is good enough to hang onto. Experimentation and self-improvement are two major positives meters provide. Are they worth the negativity that idiots will use them for? On my part, no, but that's subjective.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

For you then I have to ask why you really feel the need for a parser in the fight? You should know intuitively when you mess up during the fight. I know from my own experiences for example my dps just went in the crapper after I popped my burst cooldowns and then am forced to immediately run or die. A parser isn't needed for that. Something like deadly boss mods that can give you timers and warnings about fight phase changes is what will really help you plan your ability usage and maximize your dps in the fight. All the parser would do for you is confirm what you should already know. Is this absolutely something that you need?

So, sorry, but yes, group parsers in fights are absolutely for making judgments.

This is a poor example. Of course you'll know when you mess up an intrinsic part of your rotation, especially if it results in a death.. What a parse does is show the numerical effect on smaller mistakes or what part of your rotation is worth sacrificing if a mechanic comes up. "Should I use Battle Litany here or time it with raid buffs?" "Will Chaos Thrust last or would double Full Thrust be better?"

And yes, it judges other players based on their numbers. I fail to see the negative when used properly. Per my example a few pages back, Mr. Rockbreaker Monk basically contributed 50% less than his role should, forcing the other players to pick up her slack. This inherently makes deaths potentially more difficult to recover. Why shouldn't players who are woefully underperforming be "called out"? It doesn't need to be aggressively, but I'm also not there to carry someone else who, frankly, isn't yet suited for Savage.