Black Mage

[Shiroe]

Ranged lb takes 10 seconds. Caster lb takes 15 seconds. Not even counting the gcd gain/loss between the two, the ranged lb has higher dps

5 sec for a bigger area of effect

raw damage, caster Lb still does more damage (and 5 sec => caster/Blm wont compensate with 2x flares with only 5y reach)

[zuzu-bq]

But then you're not counting the difference of damage on the jobs using the LB and the loss that happens on the time do you?

[Kabooa]

5 sec for a bigger area of effect

raw damage, caster Lb still does more damage (and 5 sec => caster/Blm wont compensate with 2x flares with only 5y reach)

I mean, it's irrelevant in both cases. Whoever isn't doing the limitbreak is likely just padding off AoE that doesn't matter anyways. Anything more than 5-10% to the ninjas is padding meters.

[Shiroe]

But then you're not counting the difference of damage on the jobs using the LB and the loss that happens on the time do you?

true, blm aoe is strong, but try to convince the party, the weaker Lb with a smaller area of effect should be casted, so the blm/caster personal dps can go up

[Komaru_Tatoro]

im not even sure why we should continue the discussion like this. i mean the reason i brought up things the kill blm enochian upkeep was that there was a comment of saying blm is less complicated than smn or in somewhere down that line. so i brought it up as upkeeping cd buff/enochian isnt exactly a easy thing while still maintaining good dps and dropping it is consider a bigger dps lost.

now i did ask how in dps comparison would the smn lose dps when they misss baha or clipping a af. so any1 can answer that question for me?

not here to argue, just want to say that ea class has their own petpeeves too. im open for friendly discussion.

[zuzu-bq]

Well, most here already brought the point that would truly fix BLM to light, which is basically "give us actual high damage". So all we do is remind the thread of that from time to time and keep making noise.

[Lelila38]

At least we Blm are civilised and only make one thread instead of spamming the forums with dozens of them

[Komaru_Tatoro]

im curious would dev ever read these discusion we make.

[Remedi]

Directly def not, since they probably cannot read english, but they receive a condensed feedback from the community manager and from them they decide what to do, if it can be done in a reasonable amount of time if they can come up with alternatives etc.

Point is when we don't get exactly what we ask for it doesn't really means that they do not care,

It also helps that all discussion is condensed in 1 topic as it makes easier for community manager to better condense the problem/s and feedbacks

[TsuKoj]

I feel like while condensing the discussion makes it nice for readers. It also makes it easier for devs to put it lower on their priority list. The squeaky wheel gets the oil after all, and whenever specific jobs are left behind a bit they seem to get fixed much faster than the ones that don't spam the forums and Reddit with multiple threads.