Built-in Parsers

[LaylaTsarra]

They don't know what they don't know. They can't know whether or not parsers will have any sort of negative effect unless they've had a proper testing group or put it out in the wild, they have done neither. The fact of the matter is that everyone is scared of a boogeyman that hardly exists.

Calling the community victimized means what exactly? You're showing your bias I'm afraid with that comment. The dev's understand full well what the effects are from the effect they've had in other mmo's. No I don't support parsers, not in the least. I think that's pretty clear and happy FFXIV has decided against them.

[Ilan]

Calling the community victimized means what exactly? You're showing your bias I'm afraid with that comment. The dev's understand full well what the effects are from the effect they've had in other mmo's. No I don't support parsers, not in the least. I think that's pretty clear and happy FFXIV has decided against them.

They work fine in other games. Don't act like parser would ruin a game.

[LaylaTsarra]

They work fine in other games. Don't act like parser would ruin a game.

Oh sure they do. LoL. Sorry live with it. We're not getting them here.

[Ilan]

Oh sure they do. LoL. Sorry live with it. We're not getting them here.

No they don't because people ruin the game and the best part is that most pc players already use a parser and nothing happened to the game. Next time come with a valid argument and not some fictional nonsense.

Its no problem if people are against a parser if they can name valid reasons but this "the community blablabla" is just nonsense.

[AlexionSkylark]

most pc players already use a parser and nothing happened to the game.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH... I beg to differ. The DPS META happened to the game and it's community. And this beach made the game toxic af.

[bswpayton]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH... I beg to differ. The DPS META happened to the game and it's community. And this beach made the game toxic af.

nah dude blame that on SE , enrage timers, and allowing to skip mechanics with high dps it makes a difference. Shinyru ex for example, many people dont even know that there is a fourth akmorn after he starts to do dive bombs. And this fourth akmorn always in my expeirence seems to catch the healer and other tank off guard from what Ive seen he also does tidel wave.

In most cases when Ive seen these things it leaves someone dead for the add phase makin that part of the fight even harder than it should be. You just simply can not clear content without good dps, why Ive been trying and tryin to improve my dps on my two mains drk and pali. But not having a parse of my own it just makes it to where I have to wait for someone else to post on flogs so I can analyze from there instead of being able to do it myself. The toxicity comes from game design and peoples reaction to it not all the way on the community.

[frostmagemari]

Personally.. i'm not really understanding why people have such a problem with something like this; I've heard the arguments against it, i just don't understand the logic on how they come to it as most of it seems to be an emotional response to wanting no judgement and guesswork that the XIV world as we know it would come to an end if we had it. (Hyperbole, but it's what it looks like sometimes)

In the game no one seems to ever want to have mentioned (as if it were voldemorte), there have been DPS meters for quite some time (Recount and Skada have been the big ones, and they track dps and hps). The only times i've seen people reliably worry about dps is in progress heavy guilds, and not PUG stuff; and for the most part, the meters have been there to show if someone has reason to improve and a tool to see if they have improved.

Will there be jackasses out there? Of course there will be.. will they be some rampant epidemic that will blight the XIV communities and make people toxic? No. Toxic people will always be toxic, regardless of the tools at their disposal and a dps/hps meter set up wouldn't make people who aren't toxic into people that are.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH... I beg to differ. The DPS META happened to the game and it's community. And this beach made the game toxic af.

I think the game is a lot less toxic than people like to think it is. For the most part, people seem to be indifferent to everyone else unless you're part of a regularly scheduled group and then with that, everyone has essentially agreed to try to bring the A-game.
As for the DPS Meta, people have always found a way to determine what DPS classes are the best to bring even without a parser; They're usually just less precise and prone to more error, but the meta will be there regardless.

[Oscura]

Calling the community victimized means what exactly? You're showing your bias I'm afraid with that comment. The dev's understand full well what the effects are from the effect they've had in other mmo's. No I don't support parser, not in the least. I think that's pretty evident.

Except they don't know what it has done to other MMOs aside from anecdotal claims. Square-Enix realistically knows about how it influences other games and their communities as much as the average FFXIV player does. There are people who claim for instance, WoW parsing totally ruined it and people are awful, but then there are people who claim that isn't the case, it's great to be able to parse whenever and that people still play as they want.

I'm calling it victimizing because when someone tells me, "I don't want parsing because someone might yell at me," vs "I don't want parsing because I don't want parsing," the former is the mentality of a victim. The latter just means they don't want it. Either way is their right, but I call it like I see it.

My bias is not showing, I have said in previous parsing threads that I don't care either way. I never parse outside of my own static so whether or not it's officially supported is truly and ultimately irrelevant to me. You are just making assumptions and running with them. You say that the "parsing brigade" only wants to see their own side, yet just because I said something in a way you didn't like you suddenly believe I am biased despite having nothing but an assumption. You know what they say about assuming, right?

[bswpayton]

Calling the community .

its not that they exactly have decided against it , its more so that this is one of the few cross platform games and the ps4 is the problem the argument over parser wouldnt be a thing if this was a pc only game. We wouldnt even be having this discussion time and time again. As someone who started this game on pc I can tell you that being on pc is alt better than playing blinde on ps4, just even going back lookin at flogs it has shown me in areas of fights where its not that Im not dealing damage but that Im losing uptime tryin to preform a mechanic. If I wasnt on ps4 Id have an easier way to pin point the times where Im missing up time far more often than being on ps4. Ps4 essentially shows u nothing at all absolutely nothing , pc to me is truly the only way to fully enjoy this game if you want to work on improving urself as a better player.

[kikix12]

The only game I hear brought up about how "logs" broke other games is World of Warcraft, and I really cannot seem to make a fast google search for any general analysis of how parsing destroys the community/games.

And by the way, World of Warcraft still is the most popular MMO...It was hit a lot by mechanic changes with some of its expansions from what I heard (never actually played it, nor will I). However those apparently were sudden and came shortly after each expansion, not something particularly gradual as a community-based issue would do.

I am entirely conscious of the fact that people will grieve over stuff like numbers. One of my early experiences in this game when I was just leveling my first class, was a tank that died (the two DPS with me as the healer, had no issue finishing off the mobs the tank left when dying), that didn't want to revive and come back cause I didn't have swiftcast and as a result didn't revive them mid-combat. He/she spent 3-4 minutes admonishing me, lvl43 or so at highest job (having 21 or so at the second highest), that I should have went for swiftcast before ever leveling a healer, even though this was the first time I actually would have use for it...


However, when deciding implementation of ANYTHING, one would need to consider the gains versus the losses. The gains?! Obvious. People would get objective means of getting better at whatever job they are, without having to depend on outside sources (guides, websites, other people) that are most certainly not objective. This would decrease the amount of people that are just plain terrible, even if they show high level and high gear, in a low-mid level dungeon. The bad?! Harassment over numbers done would have its place. However, let's not forget that harassment always was and always will be bannable.

Right now, the fact that using parsers would lead to a ban if that knowledge was used for harassment is enough of a deterrent for people to not harass others to any significant degree (I have never seen anyone ever mention any numbers, and the only times someone "talked down" on another persons performance was against healer/tank). That makes me believe that the scope of harassment that would occur is grossly exaggerated by the anti-parsers people.

In reality, a dedicated customer support to act against harassment and enforce that rule which is already there will minimize the issue severely all on its own, as less vigilant state we have now is still doing enough of a job at that. This game is subscription-based and requires some noticeable amount of time to get to the end-game. It's not something that people will easily throw away to vent at a random passerby in the run that they will probably never meet again. People DO care about being banned, and they don't want that to happen. It's a load of money and time to get to where they were at.